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Holland Yachts. Your thoughts?
Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by djaus , Apr 30, 2015 .
djaus Salted Nut!
Hi, I'm Dirk (from down under) So my sister is thinking about buying this 25ft Holland in Western Australia. She & her partner have been sailing with friends around Bunbury W.A for about a year, & they have yachty friends that should steer them in the right direction, regarding sound advice & a worthy purchase. So share your thoughts if you please on the Holland design. Any & all info would be helpful so I can pass the info on.
PAR Yacht Designer/Builder
It's a good boat, though typical of the first generation IOR's from the 70's. If it wasn't raced hard, she should be workable. Get a survey before purchase and don't trust anyone else's survey, except the one you contract to have performed, regardless of what they might have to say.
whitepointer23 Previous Member
PAR said: ↑ It's a good boat, though typical of the first generation IOR's from the 70's. If it wasn't raced hard, she should be workable. Get a survey before purchase and don't trust anyone else's survey, except the one you contract to have performed, regardless of what they might have to say. Sellers and especially brokers lie like hookers. Click to expand...
No Brendan, just that it's a typical early IOR racer hull form, with their weird measurement quirks, that forced odd hull shapes. They sail fine, though some designs can be twitchy down wind, I don't know about this specific design's manners though. As a cruiser, she's going to be wanting for storage space and capacity, but if they don't take a lot of gear/guests, they'll be fine.
pogo ingenious dilletante
It's a Cruiser/Racer by Ron Holland , known as Eugthene 24 , or Kiwi 24. http://www.eygthene24.com http://www.scheepsmakelaardijgoliath.nl/schip/2826/eygthene-24 For more Info about Little IORs and/or Quartertons of this Aera Designed by Holland, search under " Manzanita" http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=8325 pogo
CT249 Senior Member
/\ Pretty close, but the Aussie Holland 25 is a slight modification of the Kiwi 24; the Aussie boat has a few inches more beam and a slightly reshaped transom and rudder. I don't think there is a single "real" Kiwi 24/Eygthene in Australia so I don't know how they compare in performance, but they are very very similar in shape.
I talked with an Australian buddy who's familiar with these Holland designs and he suggests they are less temperamental than other IOR's of the era.
ALL AT SEA Junior Member
Spent many years crewing a Holland 25, and sometimes skippering. Tough little boats, loads of deck space due to their generous beam, and good headroom for a 25 footer. They go great upwind, even into a full blown gale provided you have the right sail set. also good running square under kite, though avoiding the death roles takes a strady hand. Great little boat in my humble oppinion.
Ok, thanks guys. I value the opinions on this forum. Ultimately you can't tell my sis' anything, she makes her own way through life. I know she's going to read this too, so hi Narelle !!! Apparently the boat looks good, I've told her that having a survey done would serve her well, although she does have good people around her, those she sails with etc, & one guy that knows the yachts history... I think. I'm on the other side of AUS, so I can only work with what little info I'm getting. Time will tell.
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A survey will almost always pay for itself in a cheaper purchase, and one will be needed for insurance anyways so get it now.
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Best cruising boats under 30 feet: Is this the ideal size for a yacht?
- Peter Poland
- April 14, 2022
Peter Poland picks out some of the best cruising boats under 30ft, arguably the ideal size for coastal and occasional offshore sailing
Cruising boats of around 30ft can often become a ‘boat for life’. Having graduated from dinghies to small cruisers, many sailors decide that something around 30ft will give them enough space, headroom, comfort and seagoing ability to see out their sailing days.
Sometimes a crew of young children may push them into something bigger for a while, but many sailors find that around 30ft is an ideal size for coastal and occasional offshore sailing.
Budget is also usually an important factor. Some GRP cruising boats around 30ft date back to the 1960s. But times change and precious few new models of this size are being built today.
A Hunter Horizon 30, Aljara , in Torbay – a lift up tiller gives a roomy cockpit. Photo: Duncan Kent
So if you want a 30-foot cruising boat you’ll probably end up with a second-hand yacht and can be looking at age differences of up to 60 years; with correspondingly different prices. Some sailors relish the process of renovating an older yacht, while others want one that is in good condition and raring to go.
When you start looking for a good second-hand cruising boat around 30ft, the choices are wide and varied. There are so many options that it’s easy to become confused. Not only were a lot of different models built, the variations between types, styles and levels of performance became more defined around the 30ft mark.
The options below are from all across Europe, but we’ve also covered the best 30ft French boats , the best 30ft British boats , the best 30ft German boats and the best 30ft boats from Scandinavia .
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As time passed three different types evolved: middle of the road family cruisers ( fin, twin and lifting keel ); older style long keeled cruisers ; and lighter cruiser-racers (often IOR-influenced after the late 1970s).
So it becomes ever more important to have a clear idea of what size and type of cruiser you want. As we often said to clients who were considering buying one of our Hunters, you need to answer some basic questions before deciding on your ideal yacht: what sort of sailing are you planning?; where?; with whom?; and how often? We reckoned that many people ended up by buying bigger boats than they actually needed.
Three of the earliest GRP production yachts built fell into the 28-30ft bracket and – even if a degree of restoration work is necessary – all are excellent designs.
The Pionier 9 is a good seagoing yacht. Photo: SailingScenes.com
The Dutch 9.10m Pionier 9 – often spelt Pioneer 9 in English – was designed by van de Stadt and the first production GRP yacht in Europe. More than 600 were built after the first was launched in 1959. UK versions were moulded by Tylers and finished by Southern Ocean Shipyard in Poole.
The Pionier’s hull configuration of a fin keel and separate spade rudder was well ahead of the game at that time. With a beam of just 2.4m she’s not spacious by modern standards but a practical four berth layout, generous cockpit, displacement/length ratio (DLR) of 235 and sail area/displacement (SA/Disp) ratio of 19.1 combine to make the Pionier a good seagoing yacht and a delight to sail.
A well maintained example makes an excellent performance cruiser, as confirmed by one owner on a discussion forum who wrote: ‘The Pionier 9 is a strong and seaworthy boat. Aziz was sailed single-handed non-stop from UK to US [from Milford Haven to Newport in 1971 in 45 days] by Nicolette Milnes-Walke r – the first woman to achieve this…
‘My father and I have owned our Pionier 9 for about 32 years now and she still sails well against more modern boats and the quality of build means they suffer very few problems.’
The Elizabethan 29, built by Peter Webster, has a graceful counter. Photo: SailingScenes.com
Best cruising boats under 30 feet: Long keel designs
The great British designer Kim Holman was responsible for two other exceptional yachts in this early GRP era; the 1960 Elizabethan 29 and 1964 Twister 28. Unlike the Pionier, both of these have traditional long keels.
The Elizabethan (built by Peter Webster) has a graceful counter while the Twister (moulded by Tylers and finished by various builders such as Uphams and Universal Shipyard) hangs its rudder on a transom stern, and the latter is a smidge wider (8ft 1in), longer on the waterline, (21ft 6in) and heavier (9,968lb). Both have four berth layouts with amidships heads and both are a delight to sail.
I was lucky enough to be a regular crew on an Elizabethan in the 1960s, and enjoyed regular sailing on a Twister this century. If I had to risk a comparison I’d say the latter has few equals when slicing upwind in a blow into a chop, while the former is one of the most slippery ladies I have ever steered downwind. Both sail in classic regattas and are snug and practical to live aboard – albeit without stern cabins.
A delight to sail, the Twister 28 has a traditional long keel and hangs its rudder on a transom stern. Photo: Graham Snook/Yachting Monthly
Both attract admiring looks wherever they sail. They’re high on my list of all-time favourites and make great buys if you don’t want a floating caravan and don’t mind a bit of maintenance work from time to time.
Earlier Twisters have a high-maintenance wooden coachroof, while later ones are all GRP. And – as with any elderly yacht – look for one with a replacement engine and renewed rigging.
Elizabethan 30
Peter Webster came up with another timeless yacht in 1968. The Elizabethan 30 (and later 9m sister, both designed by the great David Thomas) were fast cruisers inspired by the Half Ton Cup.
With a beam of 9ft 3in, it offers reasonable space down below while a generous ballast ratio of 48%, SA/Disp ratio of 19.2 and moderate DLR of 235 ensure excellent performance and easy handling; especially when compared to modern cruisers with wide sterns and towering topsides. What’s more, it is a lovely looking yacht.
The Elizabethan 30 Mistweave . Photo: SailingScenes.com
Hugo Morgan-Harris of consulting surveyors Saunders Morgan Harris told me; “I brought my Liz 30 in 1998 as a classic GRP cruising/racing boat. She had an old RCA Dolphin petrol engine, rotten alloy mast, tired rigging and no deck fittings.
“The interior was a mess and all of the systems were original. As I was boatbuilding at the time I thought that I’d have a go! Now we have a new Yanmar 2GM, electrics, nav gear, Lewmar windows, toilet, fridge, wireless auto helm, boom, vang etc.”
If you can buy a tired boat cheaply enough, this sort of investment is worth the money. Having owned and loved the boat for some 20 years, Hugo sold her and bought and restored (in his garden!) a tired Sigma 38. So, like many others, he has stuck to David Thomas designs.
Spinnaker drop during Round the Island 2010 for Nicholson 303 Nutcracker . Photo: SailingScenes.com
Best cruising boats under 30 feet: Wide beam accommodation
As the 70s got under way, the high profile Half Ton Cup seemed to cast its spell over ever more 30ft cruisers. The Nicholson 30, Ron Holland-designed Nicholson 303, Doug Petersen-designed Contessa 28 and Contention 30, Fred Parker Javelin 30, Dick Carter-designed Carter 30, S&S-designed She 31 and Kim Holman-designed Hustler 30 and UFO 31 all offered wide beam accommodation, fin keels and well above average performance.
Some were better built than others. For my money the Tyler-moulded and Landamores-finished Hustler 30 or Nicholson 303 are the pick of this bunch if you are in the market for a 30-footer that sails well (albeit twitchily on a heavy weather reach or run with too much canvas aloft), has a good seagoing layout and looks classy.
Reverting to more classic long-keelers built around the same time, I came across an internet thread that sparked a flurry of interesting comments. The opening post was: “I am looking to make a first yacht purchase and would appreciate thoughts on the variations between a Victoria 30, a Halmatic 30 or a Nicholson 31. I am keener on the more classic style of yacht than on newer boats and [want] a long keel; with a view to longer or ocean trips in the future.”
The John Sharp-designed Halmatic 30. Photo: SailingScenes.com
Those looking for a boat of this character should have these three on their list. The John Sharp-designed Halmatic 30 (and similar Barbican 30) is 22ft 10in on the waterline, has 9ft 6in beam, draws 4ft 6in, displaces 9,000lb with a 50% ballast ratio, 338 DLR and 15.95 SA/Disp ratio.
The Chuck Paine-designed Victoria 30 has a canoe stern and similar dimensions but is appreciably lighter at 8,867lb with a 31% ballast ratio and DLR of 311. Raymond Wall’s classy Nicholson 31 (30ft 6in), on the other hand, is a little longer, wider (10ft 3in) and heavier (13,005lb) with a ballast ratio of 37% and DLR of 411. Like the Halmatic 30, it has a transom-hung rudder giving the look of an elegant overgrown Folkboat or Twister.
Personal preference
My favourite from this trio would be a well-maintained Nicholson 31. One owner put it well, responding to the thread: “I can’t give an unbiased opinion, because I’ve owned my Nic 31 from new in 1982…
A well-maintained Nicholson 31 is an exceptional yacht. Photo: SailingScenes.com
“She has sailed transatlantic (Maine to Ireland, averaging just over 5 knots for the entire, comfortable, passage) and was great for living aboard for six seasons (cruising three months at a time) in northern European waters. Fabulous boat… Almost any used boat will need to be updated. Just start with a good foundation.” Which about says it all.
He later told me “We had a variety of weather conditions [on the transatlantic trip] and the combination of full keel and great sail balance allowed the wind vane to steer straight in all but the lightest air, even downwind… She’s the perfect small blue water (for two to four crew) and coastal cruising (for two) boat.”
However as designs progressed and production methods evolved, going offshore ceased to be the sole preserve of old fashioned-style long-keel boats. Many modern family boats such as a Westerly, Hunter, Sadler, Moody, or more recent Beneteaus, Jeanneaus and Bavarias in the 28-32ft size range offered ample scope for coastal and offshore cruising.
The advantage of this type of boat is that it tends to be newer, more spacious, easy to handle and can also be easier to sell when the time comes to move on. There is a much wider choice because they were made in the hundreds. Once again condition and equipment are important.
Paradise Seeker , a Moody 31 sailing on the River Tay near Dundee. Photo: Dundee Photographics/Alamy
The Bill Dixon-designed Moody 31 (LOA 30ft 9in) Mk1 and Mk2 models (with fin or twin keels) were built from 1983 to 1991 and are good examples. A beam of 10ft 6in, weight of 9,966lb, ballast ratio of 37%, DLR of 270 and SA/Disp ratio of 15 put it firmly in the camp of modern, capable and roomy family cruisers.
Despite highish freeboard, it looks sleek and well styled. And of course its modern layout with aft heads, stern cabin and practical L-shaped galley was an instant hit with cruising families. One owner said “I had always fancied a Contessa 32 but after a trial sail, my wife was not impressed. Too uncomfortable! At the Boat Show we saw the Moody 31. My wife liked the space and comfort and it looked a good sea boat to me. Not as fast as the Contessa perhaps but I wasn’t really a racing man.”
This owner later proved his Moody 31’s ability offshore by joining a Royal Cornwall YC rally to the Azores. On the racing front, I used to crew on a fin keel Moody 31 Mk1 that picked up plenty of pots in Hamble-based handicap races.
A member of the Moody Owners Association endorsed the Moody 31’s qualities saying he had owned his 31from new in 1990, adding: “We have sailed the local rivers and across to Holland, Belgium and France. The boat is almost a member of the family and… it’s large enough to accommodate six but can be sailed single-handed.
“It’s a sturdy boat that will hold up against many faster types if sailed correctly. The oversized 28hp engine will push it through a steep chop at 6 knots. Over a quarter of a century, I discovered how well the boat has been made… It has never let me down and I love sailing her.”
Saloon of the ever-popular Laurent Giles-designed Konsort 29. Photo: Bob Aylott/myclassicboat.com
Westerly Konsort 29
Westerly came up with one of its most successful 28-30ft cruisers in the 1980s. Over 700 of the ever-popular Laurent Giles-designed Konsort 29 were built and these tough cruisers are still much sought after.
Its vital statistics of 10ft 9in beam, 8516lb weight, 37.5% ballast ratio, 229 DLR and 15 SA/Disp ratio are on a par with many of its contemporaries.
The Konsort’s conventional accommodation – featuring amidships heads and aft galley and nav area – is practical and solidly finished, making it an archetypical middle-of-the-road family cruiser.
And for those who prefer a deck saloon offering panoramic views from the warm and dry, the Duo version also has many attractions.
A former commodore of the Westerly Association told me that when he bought his twin keel Konsort he sought out a boat that incorporated the revised hull reinforcement system Westerly adopted after early production.
He added that: “The boat sails well provided there is sufficient breeze to get her going. A cruising chute helps in light airs. When the wind pipes up the performance is good, with a reef in the main around Force 5. The Konsort is very much a cruising boat so we have never expected her to point high, but you sail according to the characteristics of your boat. When required the 24hp Bukh diesel will take care of any lack of wind.
“We sail in the English Channel, the Channel Islands and adjacent coast of France. We have had no unexpected problems with the boat… a choice well made and never regretted.”
The later 30ft 6in Westerly Tempest, designed by Ed Dubois, was a very different concept. Its unusual accommodation featured two double cabins aft and a heads compartment in the eyes of the yacht. By Westerly standards, its sales total of 107 wasn’t a runaway success. But it has a lot to offer; as does its revamped Regatta 310 near sister.
Unusually for a 30ft 6in yacht, the Westerly Tempest has two double cabins aft and a heads in the forepeak. Photo: SailingScenes.com
The Sadler 29 was another winner from the 1980s. Martin Sadler told me: “The 29 appeared at the 1981 Earls Court boat show. She was offered with fin or twin keels and the mix was about 60/40 in favour of the latter.
“Our demonstration boat had twins and it surprised people how well she sailed [understandable because these twins are shapely, well positioned and draw 3ft 8in]. The design concept of the 29 was to achieve a larger internal volume for overall length than the Sadler 25 and 32, and she has accommodation very similar to the 32.”
Designer David Sadler got the balance between comfort and performance right: 28ft 5in overall, waterline 22ft 10in, beam 9ft 6in, weight 8,200lb, 41.5% ballast ratio, 307 DLR and 14.68 SA/Disp ratio. Sailors loved her and around 400 were built.
‘Another winner from the 80s’; the Sadler 29. Photo: Patrick Eden/Alamy
Her spacious accommodation with amidships heads, good galley and chart table and cosy quarter berth appealed to traditionalists and modernists alike. What’s more the inner mouldings conceal enough foam buoyancy to make the boat float and sail if flooded, if the foam’s still sound.
One Sadler 29 owner summed up what to look for, saying: “The advice when buying boats of this age is to spend a bit more on one that has been sorted, ie recent new engine, sails, standing rigging, cushions etc, rather than getting a tatty boat cheaper, and then spending a fortune.
“We like the foam filled construction, not least because it massively reduces condensation compared to other boats I’ve sailed (and slept) on. The downside is the boat is rather smaller than other 29-footers down below.”
The later Stephen Jones-designed Sadler 290 never achieved the same number of buyers. Its builders folded after around 40 were produced. But that does not detract from this exceptional boat’s performance. Both twin and fin versions have lead keels and sail superbly. If you see one for sale, take a look. But it won’t be cheap.
Timothy Long sailed his Impala 28, Alchemy, solo around the UK; here between Ardrishaig and Tarbert. Photo: Peter Jeanneret/Hunter Association
Best cruising boats under 30 feet: Sportier cruisers
And what about the sportier cruisers of the 1980s and 90s? The Hunter Impala 28 (1977 onwards) has many fans to this day – Timothy Long became the youngest sailor to circumnavigate Britain solo in 2020 sailing an Impala. Designed as an Offshore One Design by David Thomas, the Impala still makes a competitive racer.
But don’t overlook its attributes as a fast cruiser. The interior is practical and simple: twin berth forepeak, enclosed heads to port amidships, galley aft of the main bulkhead to starboard and two settee berths with two pilot berths outboard in the saloon. Originally Impalas came with an outboard in a well; but most now have inboards.
The later Hunter Horizon 30 is an elongated cruising version of the Impala, with a new deck and counter stern. The interior is dramatically different, with twin berth forepeak, saloon settees and aft galley, heads compartment and double aft cabin.
Hunter Horizon 30 – an elongated cruising version of the Impala
Thanks to the superb performance of Thomas’s twin keels (3ft 10in draught with bulbed bases), most buyers chose this option. Its moderate 9ft 3in beam gives good handling and its 43% ballast ratio, 234 DLR and SA/Disp ratio of 19.8 provide sparkling performance. Indeed a twin-keeler took third overall in its CHS class against racy fin-keelers in one Round the Island Race.
Those looking for a beamier fin keel cruiser-racer might find the Thomas-designed Sigma 292 of interest. It didn’t sell in large numbers, compared to the Sigma 33, but shares many of its qualities. The Thomas-designed Hunter Channel 31 (30ft 9in) is an exceptionally quick twin-keeler and a delight to sail and live aboard; but sadly only a few were built.
And finally, going back a few years, Chris Butler’s Achilles 9m also sold well and excelled in the 1984 OSTAR, finishing in 30 days. This sporty fin-keeler has a DLR of 190, SA/Disp ratio of 15.5 and a 43% ballast ratio. A tidy example makes an excellent budget cruiser-racer.
Soulmate, a Hunter Channel 31, owned by Robin Jeavons. Photo: Sven Petersen/Hunter Association
Best cruising boats under 30 feet: Lifting keel options
If you prefer a lifting keel boat around the 30ft mark, the Tony Castro-designed Parker 31 that was built by Parker Yachts between 1987 and 1993 is worth a look. For a high performance yacht, it offers good accommodation with double berth cabins in the forepeak and aft as well as a spacious heads.
Its vertically lifting keel has a wide wing at its base giving a low centre of gravity, a ballast ratio of 32.86% and a draught of 2ft (keel up) and 6ft (keel down). Yachting Monthly said ‘… the performance and handling are remarkable. She is very fast, unexpectedly stable and finger light on the tiller.’ The drawback is that Parker only built 30 before introducing the larger 325 and 335 models then ceased trading in 2009.
The Dick Carter-designed Southerly 95 also offers variable draught, albeit in a heavier and less performance-oriented 31ft 7in cruiser. Its cast iron grounding plate and pivoting keel give a ballast ratio of 46% and a draught of 1ft 10in (keel up) and 5ft 2in (keel down).
So with its transom-mounted rudder and its keel lifted, the 95 is ideal for drying out in secluded creeks. Down below, it offers two berths in the forepeak, a U-shaped saloon settee (convertible to a double berth), an aft heads and aft quarter berth. Most unusually, it also has an inside wheel steering position in addition to a tiller in the cockpit. It was first built in 1980.
As a general rule however, any lifting keel system on an elderly yacht needs close inspection before buying. Whether it pivots, swings or moves vertically up and down it is prone to a lot more stress and strain than a fixed keel. It can also suffer from impact damage. A thorough survey is advisable.
Class association benefit
One big advantage of these British built yachts around 30ft is that almost all have active and helpful class associations. When you are considering the purchase of a yacht whose original builder is no longer active – as is sadly the case with all these British-built yachts – a well run association is a treasure trove of helpful information and advice.
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Holland 30 sail plans., adelaidesailing.
I sail a Holland 30 in Adelaide, does anyone know how to find out what the correct sail plan is for a Holland 30. Even my sail maker has nothing on file. I found an article on 'Golden Shamrock' which gives overall foresail size & main size but not individual foresail sizes eg. No.1, No.2, etc. Regards to all fellow sailors Colin, Adelaide Sailing . Com.
LooseChange
Nsw, 2140 posts.
Could be a problem, exactly which 30' Holland is it? Ron Holland has about eight 30 footers listed on www.sailboatdata.com
Select to expand quote LooseChange said.. Could be a problem, exactly which 30' Holland is it? Ron Holland has about eight 30 footers listed on www.sailboatdata.com It is a mast head, single spreader rig with fixed backstay under full 2D commercial survey, built in Frankston Vic in 1984. It also has a large coachouse & narrow gunwals. There are images on my website, www.adelaidesailing.com Thanks for your interest.
VIC, 5814 posts
So basically this is a plug for your business I guess
The pictures on your page are not very helpful. you may need to do some measuring to determine your basic rig dimensions and then maybe try and compare on sailboatdata.com. After you have done that you may even consider a message to Ron Holland design in Canada for further assistance. Sorry I can't be more helpful but it could be any one of these ... or none of them RUSH 31 (JEANNEAU) 29.96' 1979 CAL 29.96' 1981 KIWI 30 30.00' 1976 GOLDEN SHAMROCK 30 30.00' 1976 ALOHA 30 30.00' 1986 NICHOLSON 1/2 TON 30.00' 1977 FAST 303 30.00' 1983 NICHOLSON 303 30.25' 1979 OMEGA 30 S
NSW, 3309 posts
It wouldn't be the; Rush 31; Fast 303; Nich 1/2 ton Nich 303; Cal They were all developments of the "Golden Jubilee" style which had a wider stern and were developed after Ron drew the famous 40 footer "Imp" with a similar stern. This was a 1977-78 or later set of designs. The Australian Holland 30 was originally built by Doug Sharpin of Yachting World in Melbourne; yours is the "Club" version with the larger cabin top which came out around 1980, I think. The Australian Holland 30 was a Golden Shamrock/Silver Shamrock style design, 1975 or 1976 vintage, which had a narrower stern than the slightly later designs I listed above. That could narrow the rig dimensions down. I'm not sure whether the Australian Holland 30s were Golden Shamrocks (the original design) or Silver Shamrocks which were basically the same boat but with more displacement and a bigger rig. Just to make things more confusing, the 1976 world half ton championship was won by Silver Shamrock (the individual boat, not the design type) which IIRC was a modified Golden Shamrock. However, why bother about the sizes that Holland drew up in 1976, for a racing version of your boat? He would have drawn the big headsails to the 150% overlap of the IOR rule (which is not a problem for you) and the smaller headsails would have been designed around the size and aspect ratio required by mid '70s cross-cut dacron technology, which you aren't restricted to. I seem to recall that the world title winning Silver Shamrock had quite a high clew on the No 1 and used barber haulers, which you probably won't use. That may underline why the use of the old dimensions may be irrelevant.
NSW, 7549 posts
Just to add to Chris's excellent response above, if your going to have new sails cut you are going to have to measure yourself or have your sailmaker measure. If your just after usable headsails for club racing or cruising then you will be far better of going for a furling headsail about number 2 size in a modern cloth and design. The headsails on racing Holland 30's, especially No 1's will be way too large and useable in limited wind ranges. I have several racing headsails on my Currawong that will probably not see the light of day again. It's a shame because they are just beautiful sails! What I did was measure my No2 headsail and sent the dimensions to Bull sails in Victoria. Tony Bull then designed a furling headsail and had the sail built in China. Check out his webpage.
Select to expand quote Ramona said.. Just to add to Chris's excellent response above, if your going to have new sails cut you are going to have to measure yourself or have your sailmaker measure. If your just after usable headsails for club racing or cruising then you will be far better of going for a furling headsail about number 2 size in a modern cloth and design. The headsails on racing Holland 30's, especially No 1's will be way too large and useable in limited wind ranges. I have several racing headsails on my Currawong that will probably not see the light of day again. It's a shame because they are just beautiful sails! What I did was measure my No2 headsail and sent the dimensions to Bull sails in Victoria. Tony Bull then designed a furling headsail and had the sail built in China. Check out his webpage. Thanks for the help guys & in reply to some comments, No this is not a plug, I tried to put a pic of the yacht on this forum but couldn't work out how to so included the web address so the images could be viewed. I have been sailing for 48 yrs so well versed in types of cloths & yes I know a no. 1 would be too big for most conditions so I had a 125% furling genoa cut with foam insert in the luff to reduce fullness when partialy reefed. The reason I am trying to find out the correct size for a no.1 is, each year I enter 'Guava' in the Adel - Lincoln yacht race & have suffered in light winds & just off the breeze so a ghoster would be great. But don't want the comment "Great race mate but I think your sails are oversize" & protest me. Just thought there would be a sail maker with a set of sail plans for a 1984 Holland 30 (yes, built in Frangston Vic.) It was also a Whitsundays rent a yacht, I bought her 10 years ago & have replaced the main & foresail. Thanks again I'll keep looking. I guess I could stick with the info on 'loose screw' who had 20.35 sq. mt foresail.
Colin, Was out on the river Monday and there was a visiting yacht. Twin spreader rigged Holland 30, name was similar to Guava too, should have made a note of the name. Owner was ashore so could not stop and chat. I would keep an eye on eBay http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-tri-rad-myl-kev-racing-genoa-bag-hanks-12-1-x11-7x-6-28m-usable-fair-ready-/301194687423?pt=AU_Boat_Parts_Accessories&hash=item46209a33bf Ask Alan what size you need. You have the necessary dimensions already and there are several other halftonners of the same era with the same dimensions. I have a light weight No1 brand new sail that's probably done one Hobart race and then probably only a few hours. There must be hundreds about collecting dust in sail rooms.
Select to expand quote adelaidesailing said.. Ramona said.. Just to add to Chris's excellent response above, if your going to have new sails cut you are going to have to measure yourself or have your sailmaker measure. If your just after usable headsails for club racing or cruising then you will be far better of going for a furling headsail about number 2 size in a modern cloth and design. The headsails on racing Holland 30's, especially No 1's will be way too large and useable in limited wind ranges. I have several racing headsails on my Currawong that will probably not see the light of day again. It's a shame because they are just beautiful sails! What I did was measure my No2 headsail and sent the dimensions to Bull sails in Victoria. Tony Bull then designed a furling headsail and had the sail built in China. Check out his webpage. The reason I am trying to find out the correct size for a no.1 is, each year I enter 'Guava' in the Adel - Lincoln yacht race & have suffered in light winds & just off the breeze so a ghoster would be great. But don't want the comment "Great race mate but I think your sails are oversize" & protest me. Well in that case it's simple - the IOR rule your boat was designed to assumed that the No 1 had a 150% LPG and (apart from a very small number of boats in the northern hemisphere) all boats followed that default. IOR boats were often modified, and the forestay attachment point on Holland 30s of various types does not appear to always be in the same position, therefore taking generic measurements off the web would be less accurate than just measuring your own boat and using that as the basis for the headsail size.
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Any thoughts on the Nicholson 30?
- Thread starter sailor dave
- Start date 7 Jun 2011
sailor dave
Hi Does anyone have any thoughts on the Nicholson 30 of the mid seventys? Problem areas to check, how she handles in heavy weather. Any information would be appreciated. Regards Dave
The 32 is a much better boat
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You are probably aware of this (but as it is listed as a Nicholson 1/2 tonner your search engine may have overlooked it): http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/nicholson-half-tonner/half-tonner.htm Is this it? A pal of mine had one and did very well round the cans in local racing. Took it X channel in all sorts as well, no problem. Well put together, as you would expect. I understand many had rod rigging and there are stories of crew members going aloft tack on tack to tension the upper shrouds. With rigging done up like banjo strings for much of its life, shroud fittings, mast step etc would be worth close inspection.
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looks like Grimalkin the Nic 30 that survived the famous fastnet disaster and still survives somewhere to date It was featured in the book "lost for dead" which is a good if harrowing read. By all accounts very seaworthy in up to very extreme conditions
Nicholson 30 Hello Many thanks for the information. The boat I am interested in does I think come under the name Nicholson 30 built before the 1/2 tonner as shown in yachtworld.com/kingsyachts. But its much the same size 29' LOA, 9'9" beam (different designer). Out of curiosity can anyone tell me whats the significance of solid SS standing rigging? Does it require replacing more often, why did the builder use it? I like the look of the Nic 32 however I dont think I can stretch to one! thanks again regards Dave
sailor dave said: ......Out of curiosity can anyone tell me whats the significance of solid SS standing rigging? Does it require replacing more often, why did the builder use it? I like the look of the Nic 32 however I dont think I can stretch to one! Click to expand...
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doug748 said: The Nicholson 32 is a fine boat, though you might find it a bit steady for inshore work. Click to expand...
Nic 30 I owned one for a while, enjoyed her a lot, no real vices, possibly a bit cramped below by todays standards. If she has been maintained you shouldn't have any surprises.
If the Nic 30 is anything like the Jeanneau Rush expect a boat that needs to be sailed flat in the gusts or else it turns to windward (broaches) like there's no tomorrow.Even if the main is dumped early it still broaches.Both shoal and deep draft are equally affected.Don't ask how I know.They're otherwise quite fast although I would beat them regularly on my Douglas Peterson half tonner two feet shorter.
- 14 Jun 2011
nicholson 30 any thoughts Hello Many thanks for the information to date. The bit about it broaching isn't too good. Is is possible to clarify which boat does this? Is it the 1/2 tonner designed by ron Holland or the Nicholson 30 as shown in http://www.yachtworld.com/kingsyacht/kingsyacht_6.html ? thanks again Dave
sailor dave said: Hello Many thanks for the information to date. The bit about it broaching isn't too good. Is is possible to clarify which boat does this? Is it the 1/2 tonner designed by ron Holland or the Nicholson 30 as shown in http://www.yachtworld.com/kingsyacht/kingsyacht_6.html ? thanks again Dave Click to expand...
- 15 Jun 2011
Nic 30? Hi Sailor Dave, I owned a Nic' 30 for a good few years and would have one again. A great boat for fast cruising, good in all airs, likes to sail on its ear (10 to 20 degrees of heel) due to it's pronounced tumblehome. Is very fast to windward but does roll on a dead run. No real problems with the general build, good solid lay up by Halmatic, some were finished at home and some were finished by Nicholsons. A fixed saloon table and a rear facing nav' table to Starboard were the marks of the Factory finished boat. All deck hard ware should be fixed through s/steel plates embedded into the GRP. The windows some times show signs of leaking esp' the curved front window. The fore hatch has probably been replaced by now. Expect some water ingress / egress from the huge transom hung rudder. The rudder is foam cored and will probably be ready for a good service (PM me for more info on how to do this). Just writing this reminds me how much I liked ours. Simes
Nicholson 30 any thoughts Simes Hi Many thanks for the information Ive looked at one very recently and notice that the boat has an inner forestay, Does this cause problems with the genoa when tacking? Dave
It is not an "inner forestay", but a babystay instead if forward lowers. It shouldn't have much effect when tacking, mine doesn't. I have a CS27, designed by Camper & Nicholson, Ray Wall actually when he was head designer at C&N. It is almost exactly like the 30 but smaller and a very good sailer.
- 15 Dec 2012
Uricanejack
Thanks. One Im contemplating referes to Ray Wall as designer.
wetzel said: The 32 is a much better boat Click to expand...
- 16 Dec 2012
- Bajansailor
Sorry to be a wet blanket, I've just bought a Nicholson 30 MkII, and I've sailed a couple of Nicholson Half Tonners, and I grew up sailing a Nicholson 345, and this confusion between the Nicholson 30 (Ray Wall), and the Nicholson Half Tonner (Ron Holland) doesn't half get my back up... Some people even get confused between the Nicholson Half Tonner and the Nicholson 303: They share the same hull and perhaps the same rudder, but that's it. People really should ensure they're correct before posting comments.
sailor dave said: Hi Does anyone have any thoughts on the Nicholson 30 of the mid seventys? Problem areas to check, how she handles in heavy weather. Any information would be appreciated. Regards Dave Click to expand...
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- May 21st, 2023
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I must admit that I had a fairly long internal conversation with myself about how and if at all I could be writing about the L30 one design racer/cruiser. Why? Because mentioning the L30 is inevitably and immediately triggering a notice about her “father”, Rodion Luka. He is Ukrainian and that is the boat´s origin. Faster as you might think you are talking about the war, Russia, Ukraine and all that comes with it. I don´t want this. Not because I haven’t got an opinion about this topic (in fact I am a very political person), but because I am convinced that there are better places to talk politics than boats. I strongly believe that sports, sailing in particular, should be bringing people together, uniting them in their passion – not dividing them.
And so I was very happy witnessing during the last spring boat show at Lake Constance that on the very first day of the show the crew of the exhibited L30 one design boat decided not to politicize their boat (or to have their boat politicized by others) and refrained from flying the Ukrainian flag. There are truly other places and above all better suited occasions to argue and discuss. Seeing this, I felt much better going over to my exhibiting neighbours, boarding the boat, greeting Rodion and his mate. We were truly having a good time aboard, getting to know the guys behind it and – the reason for my visit – getting to know a bit the boat itself. So welcome to the L30 one design walkthrough.
Rodion Luka´s vision
Rodion Luka is a versatile and successful sailor. He is an Olympic silver medalist, second place in 2004 Olympics for his country Ukraine. He also raced for Team Russia in the Volvo Ocean Race of 2008/09 as helmsman and founded a sailing/yachting school in Kiev. Rodion started the L30 one design idea working together with Slovenian designer Andrej Justin. The idea was to come up with a powerful 30-feet racer-cruiser that would bring together high performance with cruising comforts and trailerable versatility.
And indeed, the boat looks sleek and fast, a small boat ticking a lot of boxes: Double wheel steering, lifting keel, racing fitting and trimming equipment combined with cruising amenities. I am invited and warmly welcomed by Rodion and Jochen Beetz, German importer of the L30 one design boat. 30 foot is a great size for a boat: Starting prices are reasonable, the boats are small enough to not cause much trouble and follow-up costs in maintenance and the handling of a 30-footer is easy. A great size for inshore and coastal use-cases and a perfect size for daysailing or main use as a weekender.
But the L30 wants to be more. This is clear just from the outset: Reading into the history of that boat, you will surely notice that World Sailing discussed using the L30 one design boat as their solo/double handed mixed offshore World Championships and the L30-class worldwide is very busy establishing a racing community with pros and amateurs providing attractive events. The boat is certainly aimed at sportive sailors willing to sail fast, constantly push for speed and fine tuning the sails.
In that, I felt at home: A bit like on my First 27 SE I instantly recognized the fine variety of trimming instruments on the L30 like 3D Jib inhaulers and a nice wide keyboard of jammers right on top at the entryway down. I would say the L30 is more suited for crewed racing, also taking into account her comparatively slim width of 2.54 meters with a hull length of 9.25 meters (compared to the First 27 SE (with a hull length of 7.99 meters and 2.54 width). Meaning a slim, light boat (she weighs in only 1.800 kilograms with a ballast of 790 kilograms at 1.88 meters draft.
A boat for regatta-cruising
In that, the L30 is perfect for a dedicated crew, being a family, a band of sailing brothers or corporate sailing. Many details on the boat I found interesting, such as the long bow sprit (of course carbon-made) used to attach the Code 0 or Gennaker light wind sails, which is not fixed by is retrievable. But the bowsprit, other than on the First 27 SE for example, won´t enter the hull´s interior but is running in a dedicated compartment underneath the deck, completely separated from the internal cabin. This is great to avoid leakage and water inside the boat.
The L30 one design is made with modern infusion technique and from what I could see the production quality easily meet the demands of demanding customers. The boat can be equipped with a standard Diesel engine or electric propulsion which both go on a two-blade folding propeller on a saildrive. Depending on the use-case and sailing area, both will have their pros and cons.
I really couldn´t spot any flaws, no excessive wear and tear (the boat exhibited was a used one as, like it is with the rest of the boating industry too, there are literally “no” new boats available) and no stupid things. Except for, maybe, the main jammers to both sides of the deck through which, for my taste, the lines ran so much angled that I would have placed the jammers turned inward to take on and let out the lines without that much friction. But that´s just a small detail.
I like the little nice and practical features which reminded me of the Seascapes, like the lifting rudders which can be taken out of their bearings with one hand. The boat, from the outside, makes a pretty nice impression, everything is where it is supposed to be. It looks racy and aggressive, the mast has a considerable rake. Looking at the numbers, the boat promises to be a good performer and as the website states, it has been tested thoroughly since 2015 with achieving 24.7 knots in a 34 knot breeze. Well …
Cruising amenities
The L30 one design is a racer/cruiser and judging by pictures on the internet enjoys an ever-growing fanbase of owners. But I would reckon that most owners aren´t that much focused on racing this boat. It´s maybe a nice mixture of having a race-ready and capable sailboat for regattas and cruising comforts for a couple, friends or a small family that loves to sail fast – just as I did with my GEKKO. And here the surprising part of the walkthrough begins: This boat is really something different.
At first, when I went down on the entryway, I noticed that for the interior the designers chose to skip the classic saloon. There simply is none. Going down one has the small galley to port side and enters directly into the head of the boat to starboard side. Two pilot berths left and right offer a place to sleep for one adult each. Leaving the galley behind and going forward, one enters the forepeak.
A small sofa to port side may be used to getting dressed and undressed or, in harbor or at anchor, sit down, reading a book talking to the boat´s chef acting in the galley. A large V-berth in forepeak is large enough to offer two adults a good night´s sleep. I loved the natural light that enters the fore cabin through two hull windows. As the bowsprit is outside the interior, this is a sealed of watertight place. Well done!
In the bow, to starboard side, one can sit on the berth and work the “navigation station”, which is integrated into the bulkhead of the bathroom. I like the feeling of the boat: The cushions in soft grey are comfortable and the garment appears of a high quality. The EVA-foam flooring , same as in the cockpit, make for a nice, at-home atmosphere and I am sure that the owners can choose from a variety of colors and tones.
Comforts and fitting varieties
In this I am really enthused and excited, because the L30 one design appears to be a “sheep in a wolf´s clothing”, exactly the other way round. The aggressive racer from the outside turns out to be a pretty cozy and lovely designed cruising-capable boat. At first it is a bit strange to have a boat without a dedicated saloon (and indeed, in cold, rainy or generally bad weather you cannot sit together and enjoy a hot meal), but other than that and acknowledging the fact that 90 per cent of the boat life is taking place in the cockpit, this is a pretty nice layout!
Especially the large hull windows make for a nicely light-suffused interior. Of all the 30 feet racer/cruisers and cruiser/racers I have visited I´d say that the L30 one design has the friendliest of them all. The boat´s “narrow” 2.54 meters in beam are in a way a pro: There is always and at any point a grab handle, a bulkhead or a fitting near to have a safe stand and roam about inside the boat even in heavy weather.
Sacrificing the saloon for a second aft pilot berth and placing the head/WC right at the mast stand is also ingenious: Since the L30 is a boat for crewed racing, that´s one additional berth and no need for hot bunking. Also, at sea, especially in rough conditions, having the WC on to of the keel – the pivot of the boat – is a great thing. We all know the unpleasant rollercoaster up there in the bow or abaft when using the toilet. I suppose it´s much calmer right on top of the keel.
Variable draft on the L30
Another nice feature to talk about in the L30 one design is the lifting keel. Not a swing keel like on my First 27 SE and not a fixed keel: This makes the L30 far more attractive for sailors than the Figaro 3 or the Dehler 30 OD which cannot be self-transported by means of a trailer . Let´s take a closer look onto the lifting keel mechanism in the L30, because I found it was easy, simple and therefore great.
As the keel is a lead bulb on a stainless steel frame, that is encapsulated by an epoxy moulded fin, the lifting of the keel from 1.88 meters max to 0.58 meters retracted is done vertically (no swing mechanism) inside a housing. This housing is, of course, on the longitudinal axis of the boat and makes the “wall” of the bathroom to port side. When inside the bathroom, one notices a large watertight hatch, behind it, as Rodion shows me, is the lifting mechanism.
The mechanism consists of a simple Dyneema-lashing on a pulley tackle. The keel does not need a crank system, like on the First 24 SE nor a hydraulic system like on my last boat, the First 27 SE – it is just simply pulling it up or letting it down by gravity. The halyard that will take the keel up leaves the keel housing right on to – emerging outside of the boat on the coach roof.
There, a large roller diverts the line back where, when needed, this line is put on a winch and can be winched up with ease. No motor needed. I found this idea astonishingly simply and ingenious. Everything is done by a hoist and a simple line. I can imagine that this is a pretty maintenance-free and failsafe system.
A very nice boat indeed!
So, all in all I was very surprised by the great quality of the boat, the high rate of cruising comforts down below deck and the overall impression this boat made on me. She is indeed a very nice boat! I personally would have preferred a tiller steering instead of wheels, apart from the more complex mechanical setup to convert steering wheel-helm impulses to the rudder blades, especially in racing the helmsman needs to feel the flow of the water. And this is usually killed off and sedated by wheels. Also, due to the relative narrowness of the boat, those two wheels look a bit awkward – to me.
Other than that, I really liked the boat. For people seeking sailing sensations and wanting to combine the thrills of an occasional regatta with the amenities of a cruising boat, the L30 should definitely be on the short list. A big plus is the trailerability and the lifting keel. I would say, all-out racers will have more performant and more race-oriented boats in the Dehler 30 OD , the Figaro 3 , or Hans Genthe´s Aeolos P 30 , also in the upcoming new SunFast , which we all await eagerly.
First built by Oceantec in Slovenia , L30s are now built near Lwiw in Ukraine (as Rodion told me production resumes despite the ongoing war) and they are setting up another production facility at the beautiful Balaton Lake in Hungary. Which, I guess, will secure the production and shouldn´t be a factor that prohibits sales of this boat. I thanked Rodion for the tour of his interesting sailboat and I hope, maybe this year, when I return to the Lake of Constance, Jochen Beetz, German importer, will take me out for a little show-run on one of his new L30s for a seatrial. I will surely report on that event!
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The boat builders in Friesland are clearly responding to customer requests. The new version (Lounge version) now has two symmetrical sofa berths to the side of the saloon, plus a double berth in the foredeck, which can be separated from the saloon with a bulkhead if required. The wet room is now located aft, to the side of the companionway, and the shipyard also offers a galley module. The two dog bunks at the rear, as in the original version, have been omitted from the new ship; instead, very large forecastle boxes are available.
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Best cruising boats under 30 feet: Focusing the search. As time passed three different types evolved: middle of the road family cruisers (fin, twin and lifting keel); older style long keeled cruisers; and lighter cruiser-racers (often IOR-influenced after the late 1970s).So it becomes ever more important to have a clear idea of what size and type of cruiser you want.
The Holland 30 and most Peterson 30s are a couple of minutes quicker around the average course but tend to have less interior. The Nantucket 32 is about as quick as the Holland and Peterson but generally are very nice inside. ... Then there are the fractional rig boats (Peterson Santana 30 fractional version, Farrs, Dubois) that are quicker ...
The Australian Holland 30 was originally built by Doug Sharpin of Yachting World in Melbourne; yours is the "Club" version with the larger cabin top which came out around 1980, I think. ... Colin, Was out on the river Monday and there was a visiting yacht. Twin spreader rigged Holland 30, name was similar to Guava too, should have made a note ...
Ron Holland. My first design, the 26 ft. sloop 'White Rabbit' was created in 1966 during the 3 year period I attended my boat building apprenticeship in Auckland, New Zealand. Six years later, while working in the engineering department of production yacht builder, Morgan Yachts in St. Petersburg, Florida, I designed a 24 ft. racer, 'Eygthene ...
The 32 is a much better boat. You can't just say better: if they were cars the Nic 30 is an MGB, the Nic 32 a Toyota pickup. Both are very good boats in their own way. If you plan to sail in places where you will get frequently get very heavy weather, or go long-distance, the Nic 32 would be the obvious choice.
Holland 30 with Yanmar 30hp diesel. Fully refurbished in 2016 this vessel has done minimal sailing since thanks to the Covid lockdown. The refurbishment included new alloy mast, S/S standing rigging, running rigging, furler and headsail, new windows and new 30hp Yanmar diesel engine. A great cruiser /racer to enjoy at sea experiences in a ...
"The Holland 32, Glenn Holland's iconic lobster boat, is a Down Easter with lines to melt the heart of all but the most callous boater. The hull shape evolved from Holland's 30-footer and shows a tall bow with enough flare to knock down spray, tumblehome astern and a curved transom. Fullness amidships provides lift and stability.
Location: NSW Australia. Boat: Traditional 30. Posts: 1,980. Re: Reviews and views on Traditional 30 yacht. Yeh.. Mine are stainless, which would have been nice 30 years ago, but they are glassed in and past being servicable. They span from locker hatch to locker hatch and then a few inches more. The only other thing I really need to do is play ...
The Holland 25 is an extended version of Ron Holland's 24' Eygthene and Tiki IOR quarter ton yachts. It was exclusively built in Australia in the late 70s to 80s with aparently over 150 built with both masthead and fractional rigs. ... Numbers below 20 indicate a lightweight racing boat, small dinghy and such; 20 to 30 indicates a coastal cruiser;
Holland 30 with Yanmar 30hp diesel. Fully refurbished in 2016 this vessel has done minimal sailing since thanks to the Covid lockdown. The refurbishment included new alloy mast, S/S standing rigging, running rigging, furler and headsail, new windows and new 30hp Yanmar diesel engine.
Mornington Peninsula Mornington Victoria, Victoria. 25'. 7.62m. 1976. AU $19,500. Find a full range of Holland 30 Boats For Sale in Australia. New and Used boats for sale.
Rodion Luka is a versatile and successful sailor. He is an Olympic silver medalist, second place in 2004 Olympics for his country Ukraine. He also raced for Team Russia in the Volvo Ocean Race of 2008/09 as helmsman and founded a sailing/yachting school in Kiev. Rodion started the L30 one design idea working together with Slovenian designer ...
Theo Stocker takes the Pointer 30 for a test to find out if she delivers on the manufacturer's promise of being a well-build, comfortable and capable cruiser...
Posts: 2. Re: Holland 30 Help from Sydney! Hi, Thanks for the help and welcome to this forum. I contacted Ron Holland and he said that the 'Holland 30' was built in the late 1970's to early 1980's by Doug Sharpen in Melbourne. Reading posts on other forums it appears that Sharpen ran the production line for the Holland 25 x a few hundred boats.
Botany Bay Yacht Club. January 27, 2019 ·. For sale: Holland 30 Scandal. Great club race/ coastal cruiser & our spring series champion for 2018-19. Ready to sail away $15,000. gumtree.com.au.
Inside the boat are multiple rows of tables with benches facing the tables. Basically seating for approximately 4 adults facing each other at each table. You are given headphones which plug in at the table, choose your language, and there are short blurbs throughout the ride which review history or some information on what you are seeing.
She is one of 31 sailing yachts in the 55-60m size range, and, compared to similarly sized sailing yachts, her cruising speed is 1.28 kn above the average, and her top speed 1.05 kn above the average. BAYESIAN is currently sailing under the United Kingdom flag, the 4th most popular flag state for superyachts with a total of 900 yachts registered.
Been lurking on here a while and now ready to buy my first boat. I'm not looking for advice on what's the best boat for me as I've already done a lot of research and I've settled on either one of the following boats. Cavalier 28. Holland 30. Northshore 27. Swarbrick S99. If anyone has one or knows someone looking to maybe sell, please reach out.
Last year, Jachtwerf Heeg in Holland presented the Pointer 30, an extremely exciting compact cruiser (test YACHT 11/2023). Now, after just one year, shipyard boss Geert Wijma has decided to define a simpler interior design as the new standard for the boat.
Comparing Seaworthy Classic 30'-ish Yachts. I know this is a bit of a broad topic but I think there are many people who are after something like this and it would be nice to have a comparison. So far the yachts on the list would be; Compass built H28 (29.5' New zealand) Nicholson 32. Bristol 32. Alberg 30.