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The 17ft Windermere Class Yachts maintain an active and competitive fleet, racing every Saturday with an average of ten or more yachts on the start line. They also hold three race weeks through the season racing Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday of these weeks. This Class provides some of the most exciting and competitive racing on Windermere. Do not be fooled into thinking these fantastic looking yachts, with only a main sail and jib are necessarily easy, they are challenging and rewarding to sail and there is nothing more exciting than a large fleet of these fantastic yachts, fully powered up and charging for the line just before the start gun.
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The Windermere 17ft Class yachts (25ft LOA) are sailed by a crew of two. They are kept afloat on a swing mooring through the racing season. They were first raced in 1904, and the current fleet comprises of yachts aged between 8 and 90 years of age. As a Restricted Design class, all the yachts, regardless of age, are capable of winning. To make things even more interesting the fleet is split into a Modern and Classic fleet. Owners of the Classic yachts have a chance at winning two trophies in each race i.e. first overall and first Classic yacht over the line. You can sometimes hear Class members saying, “It’s not the yacht that’s fast, it is the nut on the tiller”. As testimony to this fact, the boat winning the highest number of trophies during the 2019 season was Atholl , a yacht whose keel was laid in 1934 but still regularly beats many of the modern yachts. Racing with this fleet is so close that on many occasions it’s a photo finish between the first few yachts across the line.
If you would like to try, buy, or crew in a Windermere 17ft yacht, then please get in touch via the email below
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So that either the 17ft Fleet Captain or 17ft Fleet Secretary can get back to you.
The fleet also has a WhatsApp group where members share information, and this also assists with crewing opportunities.
There are always a select few 17ft yachts for sale at very reasonable prices, details of some can be found on the RWYC web site (see For sale ).
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Specifications
Basic information.
- Builder Holland
- Category Downeast
- HIN/IMO HLG32128L107
- Condition Used
- Fuel Type Diesel
- Hull Material Fiberglass
- LOA 32'
- Beam 10' 6"
- Max Draft 3' 2"
- Fresh Water 15 GAL
- Displacement 10,000 LBS
- Number of Engines 1
- Make Cummins
- Model QSB5.9
- Power HP 230.00 HP
- Hours 200.00
- Location Middle
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"Windermere VI" 2007 Holland 32'
Windermere VI is the quintessential Maine island boat. She is just as well suited for a family cruise as fishing or doing an island commute in less than preferable conditions. In very good shape this boat offers fantastic value for today's market with a very well thought out and pragmatic yet a
Full Description
Vessel details.
"The Holland 32 began production in 1979, and the best known of the more than 150 built is undoubtedly Holland’s own: Red Baron, a Maine legend, which he still owns." ~ Soundings Online
- White gelcoat topsides
- Red boot stripe
- Light blue antifouling
- Composite rub rail with stainless-steel bullnose carpal at hull to deck joint
- Fold down transom step
- Swim platform
- Skeg hung metal rudder
- 4-Blade bronze propeller
Blue Charms deck is white gelcoat with a blue non-skid with a toe rail that wraps around the port, starboard and aft deck and has a stainless-steel bullnose cap rail.
Other features include:
Aft Deck
- Stainless-steel chocks port and starboard
- Popup stainless-steel cleats port and starboard
- Stainless-steel water infill
- Stainless-steel flag staff deck fitting
Cockpit
- Stainless-steel stern cleats below aft deck port and starboard
- Marine speakers below aft deck port and starboard
- Engine box with sun cushion
- Fiberglass fuel tanks outboard of engine port and starboard under side decks
Pilot Salon
- 3-Panel drop down Sunbrella curtains with clear inserts
- Overhead dome lighting
- Bright teak trim for port, starboard and forward windows
- Forward opening hatch in window forward of helm station
- Speakers overhead port and starboard
- Fold up companionway hatch cover
- Outward folding companionway door
- Stainless steel conduit for electronics on roof
- Engine panel
- Throttle and transmission controls
- (2) 12-Volt switch panels (see Electrical System)
- 12-Volt outlet
- Bilge pump controls
- Bright wood platform for helm
- 120-Volt shore power inlet
- Suite of electronics at helm (see Electronics)
- Fold up bright teak helm seat outboard of helm
Side Decks
- Fishing rod holders port and starboard
- Popup stainless steel cleats aft
- Stainless-steel diesel infill port and starboard
- Midships cleat port and starboard
Pilot Salon Roof
- Bright teak handrails port and starboard
- Electronics (see Electronics)
- Radar mast with anchor light on arm
Coach Roof
- (3) Solar vents
- Forward opening deck hatch
Fore Deck
- Stainless-steel bow rails port and starboard
- Stainless-steel bow chocks port and starboard
- Bright teak bow sprit with anchor roller and stainless-steel channel
- Stainless-steel Sampson post
Electronics
Pilot Station
- Garmin multifunction display ~ 2023
- Garmin marine VHF ~ 2023
- Ritchie Ships Compass
Pilot Salon Roof
- Garmin closed array radar dome scanner ~ 2023
- Garmin XM Radio antenna
- (2) Garmin antenna
- (2) Comrod VHF whip antenna
Head Compartment
- Garmin GMS 10 network port extender
- Garmin GSD 22 digital remote scanner
- Sirius Satellite Radio SCC1
Electrical System
12 Volt DC System
- (2) 12 Volt 6 switch panels at helm station
- 12 Volt outlet at helm station
- Solar panel
120 Volt AC System
- UPM 120 Volt AC electrical distribution panel with 5 switches
- 30 Amp shore power
- 30 Amp shore power inlet at helm
- 30 Amp shore power cable
- Xantrex Freedom Marine 15, Off Grid Inverter, 1500-Watt, 12 Volt, Portable
- MeTer electrical monitor (solar)
Accommodations
Stepping down the companionway on Blue Charm from the cockpit and there is a large hanging locker to port, with an aft facing navigation station forward of this. Continuing forward to port is additional work surface for galley and fridge below. In the bow of the cabin is a v-berth with infill. Returning aft to starboard is the ships galley and just aft of this is the head compartment that doubles as a utility room. Featured in the lower cabins:
Navigation Station
- Marine speaker
- Bright teak fishing rod holders overhead
- Opening portlight
- Fold down chart table with blue laminate work surface and bright teak trim
- Blue upholstery for back east and seat cushion for bench navigation seat
- Cubby storage bellow seat
Galley
- Dome lighting overhead
- Marine speaker to starboard
- Opening port light port and starboard
- Blue composite work surfaces with bright teak trim port and starboard
- Stainless steel sink with pressure fresh hot/cold water
- Origo 3000 alcohol stove
- Dometic AC/DC front loading fridge to port
- Locker storage below work surface to starboard
V-Berth
- Forward opening deck hatch overhead
- Blue upholstered v-berth cushions
- V-Berth infill with blue infill cushion
- Chain locker forward
- Cubby storage below bunks
Head/Utility Closet
- 120 Volt distribution panel (see Electrical Systems)
- Xantrex electrical monitor display
- 110 Volt GFI outlets
- Inverter (see Electrical Systems)
Entertainment System
Fusion sound system ~ 2023
- Control head in Cabin ~ 2023
- (2) Speakers in Cabin ~ 2023
- (2) Speakers in Cockpit ~ 2023
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The company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated. This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change or withdrawal without notice.
Mechanical Disclaimer
Engine and generator hours are as of the date of the original listing and are a representation of what the listing broker is told by the owner and/or actual reading of the engine hour meters. The broker cannot guarantee the true hours. It is the responsibility of the purchaser and/or his agent to verify engine hours, warranties implied or otherwise and major overhauls as well as all other representations noted on the listing brochure.
"The Holland 32, Glenn Holland’s iconic lobster boat, is a Down Easter with lines to melt the heart of all but the most callous boater. The hull shape evolved from Holland’s 30-footer and shows a tall bow with enough flare to knock down spray, tumblehome astern and a curved transom. Fullness amidships provides lift and stability. “Skeg-built” in the tradition of the Jonesport/Beals Island boats, it has deep roots in Maine boatbuilding." ~ Soundings Online Windermere VI is the quintessential Maine island boat. She is just as well suited for a family cruise as fishing or doing an island commute in less than preferable conditions. In very good shape this boat offers fantastic value for today's market with a very well thought out and pragmatic yet a bit spartan layout. With thuggish good looks, pedigree build and a proven design this is a fantastic opportunity to own a Holland 32. Brewer Yacht Sales is pleased to assist you in the purchase of this vessel. This boat is centrally listed by East Coast Yacht Sales. It is offered as a convenience by this broker/dealer to its clients and is not intended to convey direct representation of a particular vessel
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Windermere 17s: a class still sailing after 107 years
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The Royal Windermere YC’s racing class was designed 107 years ago – and they’re still racing today. Taken from our August, lakes issue
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There was a time when the idea of lake sailing aroused some snobbery. In the 1880s, when the then Windermere Yacht Club sought adjudication over some matter from the yacht racing association of the day, it received the dusty reply that the body in question had “no jurisdiction over duckponds”.
And when the club decided to seek a royal warrant in 1887, it was advised instead to petition for the Queen’s permission (which was granted) to use the style, as a warrant was not considered appropriate to clubs that sailed on inland waters.
Nevertheless, the club can boast, in the Windermere 17-Foot Restricted Class, one of the oldest continuously-raced classes in the country, conceived and chiefly designed in-house but with famous designers such as Alfred Mylne, Arthur Robb, David Boyd, Uffa Fox and Olin Stephens also getting involved.
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It’s a vigorous class too, with new boats – designed by Ian Howlett – still being built. It was not, however, initially intended as the club’s premier class. The Royal Windermere Yacht Club celebrated its 150th anniversary last year. It’s said that in its home town of Bowness-on-Windermere only the parish church and the Royal Hotel predate it.
The club traces its foundation to a meeting of ‘like-minded gentlemen’ in Bowness on 16 January 1860, when the then Windermere Sailing Club was founded. Many of these men were wealthy industrialists and financiers who liked to spend their summer holidays in the Lakes, pursuing friendly rivalries on the water.
Regular sailing regattas had been held on the lake since around 1849, with local boatbuilders producing tall, slender, extravagantly canvassed yachts in the style of the time, and handicapping systems attempting not very successfully to regulate their performance. The perceived need for a restricted class was one impetus for the formation of the club.
‘A bold vessel of good displacement’ The first Windermere Restricted Class which eventually emerged, after seven years of deliberation, was much influenced by Jilt, a 25ft (7.6m) waterline boat, built in 1861 for one of the founding committee members, Joseph Bridston, which according to an early club history “changed the character of the Windermere racing yacht from being a little vessel of small displacement , not greatly superior to a decked-in wherry, to a bold vessel of good displacement and decent freeboard; but it did more than this, it put an end to handicap racing and eventually led to the adoption of one class, with a limited length of waterline.”
In the end, Jilt herself was deemed too large and the rule agreed in 1867 limited all new yachts to a 20ft (6.1m) waterline, 6ft 6in (2m) beam and 5ft 6in (1.7m) draught. Dixon Kemp in 1876 described them as: “Mostly distinguished for their weatherly qualities… sailed with great boldness, as owing to the great weight they have on their keels it would be impossible to capsize them.”
Initially professional helmsmen from Morecambe Bay were employed to sail the yachts but by 1870, newer, younger members wished both to avoid that expense and to test their own prowess by sailing their boats themselves. Thus for a short time two classes of races were held, with and without professional crews.
A way of flouting the 20ft rule was quickly found, by deliberately immersing the counter when heeled, which effectively increased the waterline length to 26ft (7.9m) or more. In 1880 a new class, the ‘Second Class’ with a LWL of 17ft 6in (5.3m) and more tightly controlled measurements, was introduced, and in 1884 it was followed by the ‘Second 20ft Class’, again with tighter rules, especially regarding the counter.
With an agreement not to change the measurements for at least five years, the new class was immediately popular and a total of 53 yachts were built to it over the next 12 years. Meanwhile, the unsuccessful Second Class of 1880 (only seven built) was replaced in 1887 by the cat-rigged Una Class, with a hull based on the 20ft class, but scaled down to 16ft (4.9m) LWL.
Although popular with new members and ladies, it was only permitted to race outside the regatta season of July and August. In 1897 a 22ft class was introduced, carrying the same sail area as the 20ft, but with a very different underwater profile, notably a deep-bladed keel. Although expensive, a total of 17 were built.
Controversial introduction It was the cost of the 22-footers that produced pressure for a more affordable class and this, in 1904, led to the ‘17ft Restricted Class’. Its adoption was surrounded by controversy. Percy Crossley, son of founder member Louis Crossley, the Halifax carpet manufacturer, had trained as a naval architect with Linton Hope in Southampton.
He favoured a flat-bottomed ‘skimming dish’ design, but his older cousin Herbert Crossley, who had designed many earlier Windermere yachts, opposed this and in the end carried the day. To prevent ‘skimming-dish’ designs the class rules specified a one-in-four angle between the overhang and the waterline (amended in 1906 to one-in-five and still current).
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Initially the ‘Smaller Class’, as it was referred to, had an uphill struggle for recognition. The 17ft boats suffered second-class treatment, not permitted to race in the regatta season, nor to obstruct ‘First Class’ yachts, and club funds could not be used for prizes. Ignored by the club’s Sailing Committee, they had to set up their own, and raise their own subscription.
But even before the First World War, the 22ft class had dwindled and it was decided that there were too few left to race. After the war, an attempt was made to start up a 19ft class, on the grounds that the 17-footers were not sufficiently prestigious to properly represent the club.However, the larger boats were never popular, and even despite a four-year ban (1923-26) on building 17-footers, only six of the 19ft boats were ever built.
Thus by the early 1930s the 17ft class had become the undisputed premier class of the club, and has remained so ever since. Most of the boats were built by the local firm of Shepherd’s, the vast majority by local designers, mostly PC Crossley, but a few ‘guest’ designers feature in the lists. Afred Mylne and Arthur Robb each designed three; Uffa Fox designed one; David Boyd contributed five – one of which was recently used as the basis for the popular Rustler 24. Sailfish II, 1967, was based on a design study by Olin Stephens. She was the last of what came to be the ‘Classic’ 17s to be built.
Following World War II the 17-footers languished, with new-builds drying up in 1967 for 15 years, though with 20 boats, the fleet was still a viable size.
The Howlett years The revival, when it came, began in 1982 with a GRP hull, the only one ever built, called Tripple, based on Ripple II. Then, in 1982/3, Ian Howlett was commissioned to design a new 17, using cedar strip construction. His initial sketch, showing a separated keel and rudder, led the the class committee, “wisely”, he says, to tighten the rule to prevent such configurations. “Designing full keel racing yachts is quite outside the experience of most designers today,” admits Ian, “and it was with some trepidation that I awaited reports of the performance of the first of my designs, Freedom, for David McCann in 1982. Fortunately it did not disappoint.”
Twelve Howlett-designed boats have entered the fleet, with another one, Chris Ducker’s Flying Duckman, currently in build at Demon Yachts in Suffolk. His designs have developed steadily over the years, with bows have becoming fuller and of lower slope, and in recent times with owners specifying keels of minimum weight. His epoxy glass-skinned cedar-cored boats seem completely inert and, he says, should last indefinitely with minimal maintenance.
The Rule has again recently been tightened to prevent yachts more extreme than his last two hulls – Falcon II , 1993, and Fathom , 2008 – but, says Ian: “Despite these constraints the Rule is far from played out.”
One unwished-for effect of the Howlett boats was an initial decline in the racing fleet as owners of older boats became discouraged. The solution was to split the fleet by introducing a Classic class, for boats built before 1981. The two fleets race together on equal terms, but with the Classics also competing for their own points and prizes. About half the 80 W17s built are still in some sort of existence, with 25 currently capable of racing.
When I joined them for a Saturday race in June, a dozen boats took part, with more classics than moderns, and the places going mainly to the classics. Class captain Robert Hughes, who sails the 1962 Capella, confirms that that is often the case. “The classics have now been strengthened and re-rigged. They’re very competitive.”
During the race, a gaff-rigged boat briefly joined the fleet – the oldest 17 afloat, Merlin , designed by Percy Crossley and built by Shepherds in 1908.
Says Ian Howlett: “The last few years have seen more breeze on the lake and in strong breezes it is not unusual for older boats with heavier keels to show the ‘modern’ boats the way round the course – which is all very healthy for such a class. The RWYC 17ft is a yacht that fits the lake and the local conditions perfectly.”
August Classic Boat was our lakes issue. Our September issue, featuring a very frank interview with Elizabeth Meyer, queen of the J-Class, and the Mylne cutter Kelpie , is at the printers.
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- Designer: Crossley, Percy
- Builder: Shepherds, Windermere
- Location: Devon
- Length on deck: 30
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The Windermere 19 was a class racing yacht designed for the Royal Windermere Yacht Club by Percy Crossley. The 19 denotes her waterline length.
Built by Shepherds Boatyard on the Lake in 1928 for C.J.E Hall, a Cheshire solicitor who very much enjoyed his yacht racing both on Windermere and on the Clyde.
There were only 6 yachts built to this design and this is the only known surviving example, the class was abandoned in 1934 due to lack of support and this boat was sold to Poole where an extra strake was added to the topsides and a cuddy built over the forward end of the cockpit. The Windermere 17, her slightly smaller sister, was very popular and there are still numerous 17’s sailing on the Lake with many more built originally than the 19’s.
Sold by Wooden Ships to the present owner in 2005, she underwent a major rebuild in 2005/2006 where the hull was rebuilt and strengthened, the deck replaced and a complete new bermudan rig fitted. Originally she would have had a gaff rig but it was decided to go with a more modern bermudan design to make her easier to sail and enable the owner to sail alone if he wished. So often in these rebuilds, unlike with this boat, an owner will stick rigidly to the original plans which can often result in an awkward and difficult boat to use in the modern sailing world.
She is now in first class condition, on the water and ready to sail. She comes with a road trailer and all over cover making her a very easy boat live with. Unfortunately no original plans survive today but we have a number of black and white photos of the boat afloat in her early years.
Length On Deck 30′
Length Waterline 19′
Beam 7′
Draft 4′
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Construction
Planked in mahogany, all copper fastened to closely spaced lightweight steamed oak timbers.
Garboards and one plank up replaced in 2005, all hood ends and garboards re-fastened with bronze screws.
During the ’05/’06 refit, she was veneered in 2 layers of diagonal mahogany planking fixed with epoxy. This has added enormous stiffness to the hull and made her totally watertight.
Grown oak floors fixed with bronze screws, all new in 2005
Wooden back bone replaced in oak in 2005.
External lead ballast keel of 21cwt, removed and re-bedded in 2005, with new bronze keel bolts.
Yacht laid deck teak over a plywood sub deck, new in 2005. Varnished mahogany coverboards with a small tow rail set slightly inboard of the outer edge finishes the deck off very nicely.
Varnished mahogany coachroof, all new in 2005 with varnished mahogany coamings around the cockpit.
Large open cockpit to allow the crew to work easily. Scrubbed teak cockpit sole with varnished mahogany slatted thwarts either side.
Fractional bermudan sloop rig on a keel stepped wooden mast.
The rig was designed from scratch by the late Ed Burnett and built to this design. Originally she was built as a gaff sloop, so a certain amount of interpretation had to be undertaken to produce and authentic looking and well balanced bermudan rig.
Mast and boom of Sitka Spruce, made by Collars in 2006
Standing and running rigging all brand new in 2006. Single lower shroud and a single cap shroud to internal stainless steel chain plates fastened to the beam shelf. She also has jumper struts to support the mast head.
Modern equipment has been used on the rig including sail tracks, sheet tracks, blocks and running rigging material. This has created a rig which is incredibly easy to handle so she can be sailed by one person without concern. Single line furling headsail.
Battened mainsail and roller genoa new in 2006. Both in cream polyester.
She has a 5hp Mecury 2 stroke outboard which fits to a bracket over the port side.
When not in use it stows under the aft deck.
7 x inflatable buoyancy bags with pump
Mercury 5hp outboard with bracket
All over cover
Mainsail and Genoa
Road trailer
Danforth anchor and chain
Manual bilge pump
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