Catamaran newbie - sailing and mooring tips please
Thread starter ninky
Start date 6 Aug 2013
Just taken ownership of a Mk 3 Hirondelle. Had our first sail delivering her from Emsworth to Gosport on Sunday. A bit of trouble tacking her round on the first attempt - two hulls requiring greater speed on the turn than my Jag 22 it seems. Am after tips on boat handling from any multihull sailors - no big scare stories please, have already freaked myself out with all the drawings of capsized cats and talk of inverted escape hatches in my Multihull seamanship book. We are just going to be pottering about the Solent on the slab reefing main and roller genoa for a good while yet. Swing mooring buoys - what do you do for longterm swing mooring use? I currently have her on one chain over one of the bow rollers, with a rope looped through from the other bow. I thought a second chain on a swivel from the buoy would be a good idea, but the mooring owners seem to think it will be a tangle risk and better to stick with rope for the second bow, possibly cleated further down the one chain. Nicola
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I have seen a cat moored to a fairly short strop onto the forward cross-beam. This placed the buoy between the hulls and obviously the length was critical to avoid contact with the hulls. Don't know whether a Hirondelle will ride like that, if the cross-beam were too far aft she might not weathercock as she should... Rob.
I owned a Hirondelle mk 111 and it was a wonderful boat , she was moored in Southampton water on fore and aft buoys , I made up 2 x strops so she sat centrally to the trots . 2 x bow and 2 x stern , this, naturally , divides the loads between two cleats -always better, 50 % loads . They are light boats so will sit happily on 3 strand 18/20mm. make yourself a bridle for anchoring with a chain hook so she will always sit centrally to the anchor / buoy . lovely boats , enjoy ! grafozz
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Agree with pteron, loose off the main sail as you enter the tack and keep the jib/genoa backed until the bows are blowing off. If you do stall 'in irons' reverse the helm and the boat will sail backwards onto the new tack. In the books it always tells you to bear away if hit by a gust, you will need to test it but I always found it safer and more instinctive to head up (unless on a broad reach). If it's boisterous, it can pay to tack the centreboards, windward board down/leeward board up. I always used a heavy rope bridle to each bow on a swinging mooring, chain is too messy (personal opinion). Clip the bridles together when leaving the buoy, they won't then get tangled. Best tip, enjoy it.
ninky said: So whereabouts should I clip / cleat the bridle(s)? Is the aim to even the load out between the two hulls? I'm guessing I should also be careful with keeping even ballast across the hulls in terms of stowing heavy items etc. Click to expand...
oldbilbo said: Run a line from the head of the mainsail down beside the luff to a turning block by the mastfoot, and then back to the cockpit. This 'downhaul' can then be used, as the name suggests, to haul the sail down from the safety of the cockpit and assisted, if need be and with care, by a sheet winch. Enjoi! Click to expand...
I had a cat a long time ago. Home made at 23 by 12ft. The thing about cats as has already been mentioned is the problem of being overpowered. A keel boat will let you know it is overpowered by leaning over and generally behaving disgracefully. The cat when the wind comes up just leaps along in a joyful manner going very fast. This belies the fact that you are loading the rig incredibly. I destroyed 2 masts in as many years before I got one strong enough and or I got smarter. Also of course there is the risk of bow in and capsizing. So you must as skipper either have the instruments and know the numbers that matter or be very wary of lifting a hull or of going fast. I would suggest perhaps a 10knot speed limit or even less. That will call for serious sail reduction. Get a cheap GPS for speed indication. As said tacking is a pain. I found that usually backing the jib ie hold off releasing until you have the main full on the new tack was all that was needed. In rough water you might find even this is not enough . Watch for any tendency to go backwards and ease the main sheet as said. I hope you enjoy your cat I have to confess I ended up with a trailer sailer for various reasons and I love the windward sailing ability of the little TS but the cat certainly had advantages. olewill
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The Mk1 was over rigged and over canvassed, the Mk3 was much more conservative, you'd have as much trouble capsizing it as you would your old monohull. They're a delightful boat, well mannered and suitable for gentle pottering without giving a fig for how the weight is distributed. Sailing a small cat like that is relaxing and rewarding but you get almost none of the feedback you would from a monohull. As for mooring, make up a bridle from the hulls to a single point, and use it for the swinging mooring or attaching to your anchor chain. And ignore the doomsayers, if you fly a hull or burry the nose you'll be the world's first Hirondelle Mk3 to do it, stick the weight wherever you want to and enjoy the coastal pottering. The Mk1 was a handful, but well sorted out by the time yours was made. Almost every cat to capsize has been an Iroquois, the damn things need floats on top of the mast - stupid design for a cruising yacht in my opinion.
Cheers Lazy Kipper. Reassuring to hear positive things about the Mk 3. She certainly seems a good choice for us from my research - wouldn't fancy having to faff with dagger boards and the like, although I guess the little keels do give a deeper draft (still really shallow - 76cm - for a boat of her size). The main reason for getting her was I wanted to keep OH on side with the sailing, and he was getting pretty fed up with accommodation in my Jag 22 (which is a great small sailing boat imho but more for diehard sailing lovers). OH loves the Hirondelle, and even I have to admit she is a lot more comfortable for a couple when spending time on the mooring - plenty of room in the cockpit and on deck for friends too. If anyone has nervous partner, my experience so far is a cat is a great option (don't tell them about pitchpoling!) - doing 7+ knots to windward in a F4/5 on Sunday and not being keeled over, or having things slide about in the cabin, is quite different to sailing a mono. Nicola
Lazy Kipper said: How would you pitchpole a Hirondelle? Hope you have loads of fun with her, have you come across this site? http://www.hirondelle-association.org/ Click to expand...
ninky said: That's a really good suggestion. Thanks. Click to expand...
14 May 2014
I hope its acceptable to resurrect a thread like this? Its just it seems to have exactly the right kind of participants for my questions. I have been offered a Hirondelle at a "project" price and am very interested. However I am aware that the mk1 has a bit of a rep. To be honest the owner isn't certain if its a mk1 or a mk2. (any tips on identification?) So, I see on this thread already the excellent advice on the scandalising of the main and the pull-down idea. Both of which I would definitely implement. However, I suppose, my first question is .. Should I ? I do have an OH to consider too and don't want to put her off etc. I'm a competent sailor so, once I know what I should be doing I'd be confident enough. But I do sail in an area that produces quite a swell on a regular basis... Would I just be driving myself mad with this boat? Thanks Vida
15 May 2014
simonfraser
Lazy Kipper said: The Mk1 was over rigged and over canvassed, the Mk3 was much more conservative, you'd have as much trouble capsizing it as you would your old monohull. They're a delightful boat, well mannered and suitable for gentle pottering without giving a fig for how the weight is distributed. Sailing a small cat like that is relaxing and rewarding but you get almost none of the feedback you would from a monohull. As for mooring, make up a bridle from the hulls to a single point, and use it for the swinging mooring or attaching to your anchor chain. And ignore the doomsayers, if you fly a hull or burry the nose you'll be the world's first Hirondelle Mk3 to do it, stick the weight wherever you want to and enjoy the coastal pottering. The Mk1 was a handful, but well sorted out by the time yours was made. Almost every cat to capsize has been an Iroquois, the damn things need floats on top of the mast - stupid design for a cruising yacht in my opinion. Click to expand...
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1977 Hirondelle Mk II
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I did significant work on this rare classic English catamaran before bringing her up the ICW from Savannah to the Chesapeake Bay. There we meandered northward exploring coves and inlets that most boats could not enter (our min. draft is 18”). When we reached the top of the Bay we headed through the C&D Canal, down the Delaware Bay, and back inside from Cape May to Manasquan Inlet. There we headed outside up to and around Sandy Hook. I and my crew of 1-2 spent three comfortable months on our journey of over 1,000 miles.
There is 5’-8” of headroom in both hulls and sitting headroom in the bridgedeck salon (which converts into a double berth). A friend of mine (who is 6’-3”) owns a Tartan 3700. He thought the head in my boat was more comfortable than the one in his. He also liked the dual companionways which he thought prevented traffic jams.
675 CCA DURACELL GROUP 31 Deep cycle battery (2017) > Master Disconnect Switch (1970s?) > Eight-Fuse Panel (1970s?) > Shore Power inlet (not installed) > Solar panel (1970s?) > Humminbird VHF radio with mast-mounted antenna (age unknown) > Raymarine 365 Fish/Depthfinder (age unknown) > AquaSignal LED running lights (2017) > LunaSea LED masthead light (2017) > LED Interior lights (2017) Schaefer Cat Hawk Wind Indicator on starboard pulpit (2017) > Two stainless steel Marinco Solar Plus 3” vents (2017)
ROOMY, ENCLOSED HEAD w/ locker for sails and/or foul weather gear > Thetford Porta Potti 550p MSD Portable Toilet plumbed so it can be emptied at any Pumpout station (2017)
Headsails: Drifter, Genoa, 120% working, 100% working, Storm sail (original) Mainsail from S2 6.8 (slightly undersized). Still have the original main. Bimini Top w/ cover
(4) 24” x 9” oval (no-roll) Attwood fenders (2017) Rocna 22 anchor with 30 feet chain and 200 ft rode (2017) Docklines
ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS (2017-2019) > Backing plate installed on forestay (2019) > Backing and reinforcing plates installed on backstays (2019) > All new running rigging with new captive shackles (2017) > New Mainsheet (2017) > New jibsheets (2017) > Cam cleats with fairleads installed on rudder-lifting lines (2019) > New High Beam traveler with Harken track, car, and traveler ends installed (2019) > Barton Winchers installed (2019) > Dual Bilge Pump Project (not complete) includes Rule bilge pumps, switches, alarms, hose, & thru-hulls > Boarding ladder (2017) > Opening Screen Door at starboard companionway (2017) > Drideck in cockpit (2017) > Acoustical foam for engine enclosure (not installed) > New rudder cheeks built with Meranti plywood soaked in penetrating epoxy. All holes were drilled oversize, filled with epoxy, and redrilled. (2017)
Rig and Sails
Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.
The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.
Classic hull speed formula:
Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL
Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL
Sail Area / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.
SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3
SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.
Ballast / Displacement * 100
Displacement / Length Ratio
A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.
D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³
D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort Ratio
This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.
Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )
D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
LOA: Length overall in feet
Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening Formula
This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.
CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)
The biggest difference between the Hirondelle Mk I and II was in the rig; being a little under a metre shorter.
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Brand: Hirondelle 7M
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These boats are a great family weekender design with full length sleeping berths for five adults, cooking facilities and a small but useful separate heads (toilet). Hirondelles have an outboard motor as auxiliary power, mounted in a well in the centre of the cockpit. The sailing performance of the Hirondelle is excellent and loads of fun for a boat of its size. Comes in 4 versions Mark I to III and the Hirondelle Family version.
Specifications
Make:
Hirondelle
Model:
7M
Length:
23
Builder:
Hirondelle (England)
Designer:
Chris Hammond / Brian Carvill
Construction:
GRP
Build Start:
1972
Build End:
1983
Number Built:
Over 300
Loa:
22' 8''
Lwl:
20' 0''
Beam:
10 ft
Draft:
2 ft 6 in
Mast Height:
30'
Mfg Accommodations:
Hirondelle 7M MK II (Atlantic)
I did significant work on this rare classic English catamaran before bringing her up the ICW from Savannah to the Chesapeake Bay. There we meandered northward exploring coves and inlets that most boats could not enter. When we reached the top of the Bay we headed through the C&D Canal, down the Delaware Bay, and back inside from Cape May to Manasquan Inlet. There we headed outside up to and around Sandy Hook. I and my crew of 1-2 spent three comfortable months on our 1,000+ mile journey. There is 5-8” of headroom in both hulls and sitting headroom in the bridgedeck salon (which converts into a double berth).…
. Her accommodations surpass any of her size, while retaining the functionality to be easily trailered and stored out of . She outperforms multihulls and monohulls on nearly all points of sail and points exceptionally well, due to her daggerboard design. She is a joy to sail with her peppy response and comfort. This is an extremely capable that has sailed across the Atlantic from to the United States. We're only selling to pursue our dreams of cruising and need something a little larger for a of 4 on an extended . We would consider trading up to a larger .
Boat Specs
Name: Good Enough Model: Hirondelle MKI : 23 ft 0 in Beam: 10 ft 0 in LWL: 20 ft 0 in Minimum : 1 ft 3 in Maximum : 4 ft 0 in : 50lb Thrust (2013 Yamaha 8hp High Thrust negotiable) Fresh : (24 Gallons) : (6 Gallons) Holding Tanks: (6 Gallons) Number of cabins: 3 Number of heads: 1
Layout & Accommodations
Setee converts to queen size berth, one starboard forward, and one starboard aft. port aft, port forward. on starboard side with manual foot faucet
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"Good Enough" has been modified from the original design to allow for handicapped sailing and then to make more room in the and . The area was expanded to the port side, converting the port aft berth underneath to . In addition, the well was removed and an adjustable motor bracket was installed on the transom. This expansion allowed for a hardtop with full height bulkhead and door, as well as console and storage. This makes for reasonable in the and cockpit. The removable and opening windows in the hardtop, along with her hatches, allow plenty of airflow in the cabin.
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150 , Fully Battened Main in serviceable condition. Two Winches. Sheet Blocks, Main Traveler and Mainsheet Blocks recently replaced or serviced. hinge steps forward on a new stainless hinge. Standing in good shape. with 20' of chain and 200' of .
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Discussion in ' Multihulls ' started by guzzis3 , Nov 18, 2016 .
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Talk to the guys at sydney rigging i have always found them to be the cheapest they also have stainless heavy thimbles to suit
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guzzis3 said: ↑ I need to repair some stuff. One of the shrouds has a broken strand. I'm weighing up whether to replace them in stainless or dyneema. A number of people have recommended against dyneema, but I'm thinking about giving it a whirl. It would be good splicing practice, the money is about the same and not very much. I've cut my hands more than once over the years on a sharp crimp or broken strand. It would be a cheap experiment and if it's no good it's only another $100 to change it back. On the other hand I've never made stainless shrouds myself and am not confident doing it. You have to make the pairs exactly the right length I suppose... The sail is totally shagged, and I lost a batten. I've got a second hand hobie sail in the post which I'm going to cut down. So I won't be sailing for a few weeks until I can get the work sorted. And I'm going into hospital on friday so that will put me out of action for a while. I'll let you know. I did a sailing report here: http://www.catsailor.net/index.php?/topic/7696-v-35-sailing-report/ It might give you a laugh. I'm not normally that incompetent, it was just one of those days.... Click to expand...
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Thank you to both of you. It's all good If your interested I'll post something once I've got some stuff sorted. Went a bit made and bought 3 old catsails. Looks like I'll be breaking out the sewing machine and trying to remember how to use it...
guzzis3 said: ↑ Thank you to both of you. It's all good If your interested I'll post something once I've got some stuff sorted. Went a bit made and bought 3 old catsails. Looks like I'll be breaking out the sewing machine and trying to remember how to use it... Click to expand...
I've been busy but finally got back to doing some modeling. Here are a couple of views of the hull plus a really rough drawing showing some dimensions. It actually looks pretty good so far. I've been doing some measurements and calculations to do with trailering and launching a cat with open deck and LAR keels. The local ramp only falls 1 in 10, so you'd have to push it out a LONG way to get it to float. Even with boards the trailer wheels are an issue. So I had another close look at the tristar 24, which is about 12' on the trailer and oversize. That's ok but I've emailed Mr Horstman twice this year and no reply. Maybe he doesn't want to talk to me or maybe he's not supporting his plans anymore, or maybe he's sick. I don't know, but I'm reluctant to spend $880 on plans which I'd modify anyway if he's not available. Conversely I've done a lot of clacs on this boat and everything just seems to fall in to line. So far.... As previously mentioned 7 metres long, 2.9 wide, 1.75 headroom atm. Divinycell 3/8 on vertical surfaces 1/2 on horizontal with 600 gsm 45/45 both sides. Be aware I've got a lot more bits to chop out and finesse on the model, but I thought I'd post this for any comments ?
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guzzis3 said: ↑ I've been busy but finally got back to doing some modeling. Here are a couple of views of the hull plus a really rough drawing showing some dimensions. It actually looks pretty good so far. I've been doing some measurements and calculations to do with trailering and launching a cat with open deck and LAR keels. The local ramp only falls 1 in 10, so you'd have to push it out a LONG way to get it to float. Even with boards the trailer wheels are an issue. So I had another close look at the tristar 24, which is about 12' on the trailer and oversize. That's ok but I've emailed Mr Horstman twice this year and no reply. Maybe he doesn't want to talk to me or maybe he's not supporting his plans anymore, or maybe he's sick. I don't know, but I'm reluctant to spend $880 on plans which I'd modify anyway if he's not available. Conversely I've done a lot of clacs on this boat and everything just seems to fall in to line. So far.... As previously mentioned 7 metres long, 2.9 wide, 1.75 headroom atm. Divinycell 3/8 on vertical surfaces 1/2 on horizontal with 600 gsm 45/45 both sides. Be aware I've got a lot more bits to chop out and finesse on the model, but I thought I'd post this for any comments ? Click to expand...
Thank you for the reply. The cad package I used for this is a mechanical one and isn't as convenient for boat modeling as it could be, however it does give me a very accurate volume to whatever waterline I nominate. Using RD water = 1 the displacement is about 1150 or so kg with the transom and bow just touching the water. I'm still working out what the boat will weigh, but I think 600 - 700kg is a reasonable range. For now I've got a 600 beam on 7 m length. I could increase that to 700 for 10:1 but it actually makes them more buoyant than I think is ideal. Maybe I'll settle on 650 or something. I want about 500 kg carrying capacity, I think that's reasonable for a coastal cruiser, so when I know roughly what it will weigh I'll tweak it for that. Also the prismatic is high. I'm not sure how high but probably about 60 or so, which should help with hobbyhorsing. I have not added the LAR keels yet which of course will change everything. My thinking atm is 2.5 tapering to about 1.8 and 450 high. Probably the thing I am least confident about right now is the layup of the lar keels. I want to make them strong and rugged but don't want to add unnecessary weight. I'm looking at something similar to a tornado rig. Either way it wants about 20 - 23 sqm of sail. Progress is slow. There are many many calculations and decisions to make and I have other things I need to get done in life, so I apologize for that. Next I want to get the cabin and accommodation closer. I'd like as nice a spaces inside as I can get within the envelope, but I'd like to make it acceptably pretty (not something I'm good at) and of course consider windage.
Thank your for your helpful explanations. I´ve designed and built 3 catamarans, but none with a cabin. So I tried to find examples for 6 to 7m catamarans with overnighting and cruising accomodations. But aside from the well known ones in Australia (Jarcat for inst.) there were not many to be found. Chris Ostlind designed 6,5m EL GATO which I found interesting. One of them had been built in Greece and I watched the building of it in another forum. Here are some pictures of the Cat Duckworks - Gato Especial http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/08/designs/gato/index.htm . Roger Mann who has designed, built and flown small planes switched over to multihulls and has drawn and built a RagWing Catamaran of 6m with remarkable living space for the length. Islander Catamaran | PuddleCat Catamarans http://rogermann.org/puddlecat/designs/ragwing-islander-catamaran/ From these pics I think it seems to be possible to built a small cat with standing headroom and enough space for sleeping and living without too much windage. I hope these examples can encourage you to continue your design work and the calcs for your 7m catamaran. One professional 24 footer: M24 - Gallery http://www.starshipcatamarans.com/html/m24_-_gallery.html
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Not sure if the Sprited Designs STOW - AWAY 7.5 cat has been listed before , but it might fit your needs .
rberrey: Yes the stowaway has been mentioned. I don't like it at all. Deep V hulls, over styled cabin, poor use of space and incredibly expensive kit. Manfred.pech : I have corresponded at length with Chris Ostiland on the yahoo group and possibly on the old multihulls forum. Some of his stuff is nice but I'm trying to maximise the boat in a limited envelope, prioritising the things that matter most to me. I was happy to do without a dinette but wanted that full double. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the sloping cabin front gave me both. With Gato specificalle I think cats this size work a lot better with twin companionways, the boards waste a lot of space in a small cabin (obviously lar keels bring other problems). Thank you for the link to the M24. I had not seen that before. I had seen puddleduck. I don't like plywood and that boat seems a bit crude, but it's very much along the line of what I'm chasing. The hirondelle is the closest though. The biggest move is away from the cabin shape of the hirondelle and pushing the sides right out, removing the side decks. My boat is longer on the waterline and 6" narrower due to the towing limits. I have completely remodelled the hull but am only half done. When I have something I'll post some more pictures and drawings.
Thank you for your answer. It is very interesting for me to watch the birth of a multihull design to personal requirements. Hirondelle is a well balanced design from Mk I to MK III (boards to low aspect ratio keel) and the total redesign with 25 ft over all. But I do not know if it is still alife. MULTIHULL INTERNATIONAL reported about the Hirondelle but it stopped and there are no new issues since long time. Mk III with keel-
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The mk1 was a fast nimble boat, I'd hate to lose the shoal draft of the board version and the speed.
cavalier mk2 said: ↑ The mk1 was a fast nimble boat, I'd hate to lose the shoal draft of the board version and the speed. Click to expand...
Thank you for the replies. I am a member of the hirondelle facebook group and yahoo group. I've read all I can and corresponded with owners but despite this I had not read what you have posted above. I know about the mk1, 2 (shorter mast), LAR keel 3 and the 12' beam family, some with the unusual rig (can't remember the name atm). I did not know they did a 25' version. There was one built at I think 29' but it was the only one. NACA-0012 is an awfully full section. I had thought of using a slimmer section for less drag, but a thick section like that would allow water tanks in them which would be really handy, as well as "anchoring" the boat in a seaway. Still pondering the layup for the keels. I need to make them strong enough but not ridiculously heavy. I'll post some more pictures when I get the chance. I've done some more work but these last few week have been quite busy. cavalier mk2 : Thank you for your comments on boards vs LAR keels. Everything is a compromise. I am always grateful for comments and suggestions.
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Thank you for your kind acceptance. I`ve read about the 25ft version in MULTIHULL INTERNATIONAL but did not find the issue again - sorry. You mean the AERORIG ( or Swing Rig or Balestron Rig). There have been tests (Yachting World/ Practical Boat Owner) between it and the normal one f the Hirondelle. Though the Aerorig (at 212 ft² - 19, 6948 m²) had less sail (33ft² - 3,0657 m²) area than the standard rig ( 245 ft² - 22,7605 m²) it was faster and more handy but the margin was about 1 (windward) - 2 (off the wind in light airs) knots and it is expensive and not so easy to calculate the bulkhead for the unstayed carbon mast. I do not think that NACA 0012 will be a lot more draggy than a slimmer section within the possible speed range and it will be easier for the bottom of the hull and for grounding but I do not know how you plan construction. Hope you enjoy the time of pondering around.
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Hirondelle, the brainchild of her designer Chris Hammond, was originally considered a family weekender with full length sleeping berths for 5 adults, generous cooking facilities and a small but useful bathroom. As far as we can tell a bath has never been fitted, unless you know different!
The cockpit has room for all to sit in relative comfort. I don't think Chris had in mind, some of the uses the boats have been put to over the years when he was pondering her design! Apart from the weekend coast hopping and fishing trips for the boys, many boats have carried out longer open sea passages, sometimes on a two to three week family holiday even with the kitchen sink aboard! Some have cruised through the French canal system and into the Med and beyond. Others have made it as far north as Finland, Canada and through the USA into the Caribbean.
Many owners have had their boats in excess of 10 years and are still putting many happy miles beneath their keels. There are a few well equipped examples with fully operational radar, computerised navigation centres, refrigerators, freezers, davits with dinghy's, wheel steering, autopilots and the long list goes on! "All this in a boat of 7 by 3 metres," I hear you say "that's hard to believe". Yes but oh so true!
She had a few race winnings to her name, these were mainly won by the Mk I's, and as far as we are aware all the above has and is carried out in relative safety, few of the boats have been lost while under way. This is a tribute not only to their skipper's skills but in a big way to Chris Hammond who obviously designed a purposeful, practical and safe boat for the builders to manufacture. We owe our thanks to the designer and builders of our gallant little craft.
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1970 GRP 23ft 4-berth Twin Centerboard Cruising Catamaran, Powered by a single 5.5hp Suzuki 4-stroke outboard engine. This boat has just had a massive restoration, a huge amount of work has gone into this boat, a full 3 month restoration to fully bring back to life a fantastic catamaran - this very clean and tidy Hirondelle MK2 This boat would make an ideal weekend get-away or even a small live aboard boat. Recently anti fouled.
1970 GRP 23ft 4-berth Twin Centerboard Cruising Catamaran, Powered by a single 5.5hp Suzuki 4-stroke outboard engine. This boat has just had a massive restoration, a huge amount of work has gone into this boat, a full 3 month restoration to fully bring back to life a fantastic catamaran - this very clean and tidy Hirondelle MK2 This boat would make an ideal weekend get-away or even a small live aboard boat. Recently anti fouled. Lying on hard standing at Glastonbury
Single 5.5hp Suzuki 4-storke outboard engine Fully serviced in 2021 and a few parts replaced, Comes with extra expansion fuel tank
New complete rewire throughout - ALL electrics and cabling are brand new - tin lined marine grade cables throughout (interior and all mast electronics installed/replaced with new). The electrical work took 7 days total! With two marine electricians (Poole based - A J Hartnell) This was the major expense on the boat. It’s cost thousands to replace but it’s now like a new boat. All electrics and cables were ripped out (there were literally just a couple of old cables) every light (including up the mast) replaced with modern navigational LEDs including the anchor, stern and tri-light. New cables through the mast - also marine grade tin lined. So when I say a complete rewire - everything! . So everything below is brand new 2021 installed at the same time: Electronics box built bespoke for new systems. Gang rocker panel + switches for everything. New electrics board and box made bespoke. Battery indicators and voltmeter installed. Isolator switch. New solar panel system - Renogy (top brand). New renogy charge controller. 30amp PWM. Lots of room if you wish new panels to be added. The electricians have left some cables/tails to easily add more panels in future. It was designed to be future proof for upgrade in years to come. New inverter- 1200w. This is for getting 240v from the 12v solar and batteries. 240w power - 240v sockets installed - Can easily charge laptops or phones. USB points installed in cabin. Solar system - Renogy system with 100w panel (charges very fast - can add more panels easily, I don't think you'd need to) Shore power connection RCD/breaker box. 2 leisure batteries. 2x 110ah = plenty for this system. Battery charger (hardwired for shore power charging) LED strip lights inside (both sides). Run from back to front of port and starboard. Wave hand over sensor to power on - very smart! Manual controls also. Fully dimmable. Powerful deck LED bar spot lights - two rear floods and one very powerful flood bar light on the front (all controller from gang rocker panel). Inside touch spot lights. 2 in main cabin middle - 2 in cabin rear. Head has light bars throughout. 16A Shore socket and plug ~ 4 gang fuse board + cables. Nasa Supernova LED all round Tri. Oceanflex Marine Tinned wall cable.
Raymarine Axiom 7inch with down vision (3D mapping and fish finder) top of the range system New Axiom transducer installed. Axiom features are extensive (please google this system) Raymarine 3D down vision with 3d mapping. Awesome top of the range system. Multifunction display with speed, GPS, fish finder, etc. VHF - Cobra radio Compass Tri/Anchor light: Aqua Signal. Hella Marine Stern light.
Mast head LED Lights Deck LED lights with forward facing lighting bar Standing rigging age unknown Decent size deck area Easy to walk around decks Pull up lifting centerboards in each hull Forward bow anchor lockers in each hull Twin lifting rudders New seat cushions Lines and fenders Hull and deck fully repainted Ourboard in outboard well with cover Deck storage lockers Grab rails all around the boat Antifouled
Main sail Furling Genoa They are back from the valet and reconditioning - excellent condition now. Excellent sails according to the sail makers. This cost £598 for the recondition plus some repairs.
Sleeps 4 - 2 in main saloon area, 1 in each side aft berth She has all the sole boards and saloon table (does double as the bed in Saloon area) - This has been restored. She has a small galley. Stove heat plate fitted. She has a sink, with plumbed in drain/seacock valve. Tap in place but not connected to water container at the moment. There are water fill points to fill from outside. Heads with Jabsco sea toilet, sink with outlet. Brand new high quality upholstery. Professionally made. Not cloth - wipable material. Removable and washable. High quality thick zips. The Foam is all brand new 2021! This was not cheap as was bespoke of course. 13 new cushions! The complete boat upholstery - saloon area, berths, and the cockpit outside all throughout! Teak EVGA foam on floor - grey. Boat has been Fully insulated 6mm hard foam throughout. Dampens the sound, Warmer winters and cooler summers. Makes the sound system sound incredible also! Huge difference on making the water quieter when on the water (reduced the lapping a lot) DAB+ system including aftermarket Axiom DAB+ Antenna Powerful Apollo Signature marine 1400w fusion4 channel amplifier - Head unit is a fusion Apollo RA770 top of the range complete with Digital radio - DAB+ head unit and antenna installed, bluetooth and wifi compatible Apollo signature LED range with the remote for this system for the speaker controls + mood lighting. The sound system on this is literally stunning! It's very loud but superb quality if you wish to blast it, or sounds beautiful with classical FM on the new DAB+ system. Bluetooth and wifi enables head unit.
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Some minor interior changes appeared, and the cabin windows became slightly larger with a different shape. In the main the design remained as a safe comfortable family cruiser, with longer distance capability. ... much of the content is now available on the Facebook Hirondelle Catamarans group) Hirondelle Association; This page was last edited ...
oldbilbo said: Run a line from the head of the mainsail down beside the luff to a turning block by the mastfoot, and then back to the cockpit. This 'downhaul' can then be used, as the name suggests, to haul the sail down from the safety of the cockpit and assisted, if need be and with care, by a sheet winch. Enjoi!
S/V Fat Cat is a Matawan, NJ based 1977 Hirondelle 7M catamaran for sale by owner at a terrific price. View pricing, specifications, and photos. Contact catamaran owner. Skip to the content. Search Filter. ... LED Interior lights (2017) Opening Screen Door at starboard companionway (2017) Cockpit. Drideck in cockpit (2017) Deck & Hull.
1977 23' Robert Ives Hirondelle MK II 1977 sailboat for sale in Raritan Bay New Jersey. Home. Register & Post. View All Sailboats. ... 1977. 23' 10' 1.5' New Jersey. $13,110. Description: I did significant work on this rare classic English catamaran before bringing her up the ICW from Savannah to the Chesapeake Bay. ... LED Interior lights Wind ...
LENGTH: Traditionally, LOA (length over all) equaled hull length. Today, many builders use LOA to include rail overhangs, bowsprits, etc. and LOD (length on deck) for hull length. That said, LOA may still mean LOD if the builder is being honest and using accepted industry standards developed by groups like the ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council).
My new (to me) Hirondelle Mk2 catamaran, having just taken on this project, this is an inital view around the interior and on deck.Very amateurish I know, bu...
Hirondelle Mk II Catamaran, 1977 Morgan, New Jersey. $10,925. LOA 22'-10" Beam 10' Draft 18"/ 4' Weight 2400 lbs (approx.) 1 dbl berth, 2 quarterberths ... LED running lights (2017) LunaSea LED masthead light (2017) LED Interior lights (2017) Wind Indicators on both bow pulpits Two stainless steel Marinco Solar Plus 3" vents (2017)
Hirondelle MKII is a 22′ 8″ / 6.9 m catamaran sailboat designed by Chris Hammond and built by Brian Carvill & Assoc. (UK) starting in 1968. Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. Sign in to save them permanently, access them on any device, and receive relevant alerts. ... Hirondelle MKII is a 22 ...
The original Hirondelle, Mk I, in its day was ahead of any competition and was indeed a direct threat to many of the smaller monohull yachts. Unfortunately due to many biased opinions and some high profile disasters with the ocean racing multihulls, she suffered in the small boat sales arena. Just to clarify matters, the ocean racing guys are ...
Mk II. The important difference between the Hirondelle Mk I and II was in the rig; being a little under a metre shorter but still with sufficient canvas to outrun a similar length monohull and sail down wind with grace, comfort and adequate ease. Some minor changes appeared with the interior and the cabin windows became slightly larger with a ...
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1977 Hirondelle Mk II. Staten Island, Sayreville, New Jersey, United States. Listed Apr 17. ... (2017) > LunaSea LED masthead light (2017) > LED Interior lights (2017) Schaefer Cat Hawk Wind Indicator on starboard pulpit (2017) > Two stainless steel Marinco Solar Plus 3" vents (2017) ... Catamaran Keel Twin Centerboard Rudder?
Brand: Hirondelle 7M. Jump to Hirondelle 7M Catamarans For Sale. These boats are a great family weekender design with full length sleeping berths for five adults, cooking facilities and a small but useful separate heads (toilet). Hirondelles have an outboard motor as auxiliary power, mounted in a well in the centre of the cockpit.
23' Hirondelle Crusing Catamaran & Trailer $16,000. "Good Enough" is a very unique pocket cruising catamaran. Her accommodations surpass any boat of her size, while retaining the functionality to be easily trailered and stored out of water. She outperforms multihulls and monohulls on nearly all points of sail and points exceptionally well, due ...
The hirondelle is the closest though. The biggest move is away from the cabin shape of the hirondelle and pushing the sides right out, removing the side decks. ... mk1 is a fast and nimble small catamaran drawn by Chris Hammond - within its limits and if it is still alife. ... But a lot of customers wanted a family boat with more interior ...
The Boats. The. Boats. Hirondelle, the brainchild of her designer Chris Hammond, was originally considered a family weekender with full length sleeping berths for 5 adults, generous cooking facilities and a small but useful bathroom. As far as we can tell a bath has never been fitted, unless you know different!
DESCRIPTION. 1970 GRP 23ft 4-berth Twin Centerboard Cruising Catamaran, Powered by a single 5.5hp Suzuki 4-stroke outboard engine. This boat has just had a massive restoration, a huge amount of work has gone into this boat, a full 3 month restoration to fully bring back to life a fantastic catamaran - this very clean and tidy Hirondelle MK2.
1979 Hirondelle Catamaran Mkiii for sale. Used 1979 Hirondelle Catamaran Mkiii for sale with the beautiful name "AWOL" is located in Argyll and Bute (Scotland, United Kingdom).This vessel was designed and built by the Hirondelle shipyard in 1979. Key features 1979 Hirondelle Catamaran Mkiii: length 6.91 meters, beam 3.05 meters, boat displacement 1,225 kilograms and max boat draft 0.76 meters.
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Review #1: New York Times "A Count Becomes a Waiter in a Novel of Soviet Supremacy," by Craig Taylor, Sept. 23, 2016 (Click for Full Link) Excerpt: Count Alexander Ilyich Rostov — a member of the Jockey Club, Master of the Hunt — was already ensconced in luxury in Suite 317 when he was sentenced to house arrest in a 1922 trial,
The interior, with its maze-like corridors and ornate chapels, was a delight to explore. My kids enjoyed the adventure of discovering the different chambers, each one filled with historical art and religious icons. The view from the top was incredible, offering a panoramic view of Red Square and the surrounding cityscape. ... Catamaran Sail to ...
Docking this 7m beam cat is now even easier thanks to the addition of a forward facing camera provided on the helm VDU. ... There are a wide range of Catamaran boats for sale from