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• Nov 20, 2022

Galley mini-refit - Gimballed induction cooktop and convection oven

With our return to Lisbon in 2022 came the opportunity of tackling another long waited upgrade, the galley cooktop and oven.

Since the beginning of our boat travels we did not like the idea of LPG on the boat. Our reasons were related mostly to safety issues like leaks and carbon monoxide exposure but also to the fact that finding LPG refills or swaps was troublesome, time-consuming and expensive. As liveaboard sailors we would go through the 3kg LPG bottles (used on most European design boats) every three weeks or less, we were travelling to different countries where bottles and connections were very different, meaning changing the fittings often and collecting bottles that could not be used in the next countries we visited, adding extra costs to our budgets.

Let's also not forget about the moisture cooking with LPG generates (particularly annoying during winter), the toxic fumes released (no one talks about this but there is plenty of info about it), and the excess heat trapped inside the boat.

There was also the profound hate Ana developed towards the existing cooker.

The existing cooker, installed from the factory, was a marine unit from one of the popular brands, but one of the bigger models with three burners.

Because it was a three burner instead of two or even four it was a real pain to try and use the gimbal feature, so essential on sailboats, requiring constant adjustments. No matter how much we tried the gimbal would not work for us as easily as it should, and most times we would prefer to use a bigger pot and the pot holders and avoid the gimbal issue altogether. Although it had three burners it seemed like the flame options were either too low or too high. Cleaning it was also not an easy task due to the sharp edges that felt like razor blades and the straight corners where dirt seemed to always collect.

The oven section was even worse, a pathetic joke.

A terrible construction design that we used to refer to as the “sushi knife" due to the many raised sharp edges that made it so challenging to clean and with such poor quality that even the flame element would not give temperatures matching the ones on the dial. This made baking a process of guessing temperatures and praying for things to be cooked throughout and not only in the centre (in case we did not turn them often enough). To understand how the cooking was going it was necessary to open the oven multiple times to check temperatures and to turn the food around to ensure even cooking, wasting lots of LPG.

As Ana used to say: "her grandmother's 30-year-old domestic cooktop was better than this piece of expensive junk!"

For several years living onboard, we had the opportunity to try out a portable induction from IKEA, which we simply loved. So that was the path we wanted to pursue.

We looked in the market extensively for an electric induction and convection marine gimballed cooker and found a brand with a few options but the price was astronomical, well outside our desired budget. Prices for these units started at 3300 Euros (shipping not included) and the specifications were not that exciting due to the considerable power consumption.

We knew that we could get great quality domestic versions of appliances at much better prices, the challenges were finding the right units to fit the space we had available and how to gimbal these.

Most of the home-style cookers are built for a much bigger recess than the one most boats have including ours, they usually need a 600mm wide recess.

Our galley has a recess for the cooker of 540mm wide but in reality, the unit including the gimbal components can only take 500mm

The other focus point was their power consumption, we wanted to keep each of those appliances with a maximum power draw close to 2000 watts, to avoid having to upgrade our inverter and also to limit the power usage within reason.

This is where our plan began, we scoured the internet researching most known brands for their oven and cooktop models, trying to find the models that could suit our needs, the challenge was not an easy one except when it came to the induction top.

Being an IKEA fan Ana had an eye on one of their two hob units, the one she preferred was of course the one to be recessed on a kitchen benchtop, but they now also had a new portable unit with two hobs. Both had similar sizes.

Both had their strong points in favour, the portable unit had a great price, and the recessed unit had the capability of power limiting (needed often in European old homes with weak electrical systems).

With the specifications retrieved online in hand, we measured and measured, discussed it many times, argued about materials to be used for the new section of benchtop needed, and debated the mounting options to exhaustion without ever coming to a definitive decision. The problem was both units were limited in size to fit in the total space available so the mounting detail was crucial to make a decision.

A trip to IKEA was in order to make the final decision. With the two units in front of us, we got the opportunity to check them from all angles and debate the recessing of the unit with a better understanding of the position of ventilation grills etc. We decided to pick the more expensive unit, the Valbildad , because it allowed a more easy installation detail and had the power draw limiting feature (on power up a combination of buttons allows you to set the maximum combined power draw to 3700/3500/3000/2500/2000/1500 watts ( Specification ) that could be set if needed. We believed that in case the price difference was justifiable.

The decision of downsizing from a three-burner cooktop to two hobs was not a difficult one.

Not only it would be easier to gimbal the two hobs instead of three, the reality was we never had to use the three burners at the same time and because the stovetop is smaller than the standard European household stove top it only fits three pots at the same time if all of them are small.

We figured if we ever had the need of three hobs to be used at the same time we could always use the portable unit to fill that need.

The search for the oven with the size limitation we had was a much harder task, it seemed we could find only much smaller units very much like a microwave with the door opening sideways (very small capacity) toaster ovens that do not fit the bill of what we were looking for or the too big for us being traditional 600mm wide units with a drop-down door.

It felt like there was nothing in between.

Finally, John stumbled on a Panasonic unit that had a size we could work with while researching some South East Asian resources. But it seemed we could not find stock of that model anywhere in Europe, it was just bizarre. Through the same resources, we identified two Samsung models and then we found two LG models in a shop in Portugal.

We checked both but none seemed to fit the shoes of the Panasonic model, the Samsung had a much higher power consumption and after analysing it at the shop the heating element looked very cheap, while the LG model because it had a sideways opening door, was just a bit bigger than a microwave and much more expensive.

Our hearts were broken, it felt like we were on the wrong side of the world for this part of the project.

The frustration levels were high. Ordering it from outside of Europe meant paying extra taxes, expensive shipping costs and an unknown waiting time. John searched exhaustively on Amazon Germany and Spain and eventually found not only the Panasonic unit we had found previously but the newer version of that same model with a few more features.

We ordered the more recent model, the Panasonic NN-CS89LB , with the added steaming function for a difference of 100 Euros.

We were ecstatic! We had found the unit with the right dimension to fit the available space, the right door opening style (drop down) that maximised the available space to cook and the right power consumption.

Now we just needed to wait for the delivery to check the overall quality.

Another positive point of this unit was that it didn't have a rotating plate like conventional microwaves (one of the reasons we do t use the original microwave we have onboard as it is tricky to use under passage), all we needed was to get a silicon mat to ensure plates and glass trays wouldn't slide around. We even stumbled on a very cool silicon mat at the local supermarket that is to grill chicken winds (?!) judging the picture on the package. This silicon mat has little cones that keep objects slightly elevated, I thought it was the perfect solution for the new oven/microwave base.

Besides building a gimbal for the new appliances this project also included the refit of the cooker recess that was looking miserable. The yacht builder had used as liner a thin white acrylic used we guess as a wipe-friendly surface, but in fact not suitable for the purpose. Through the years, even with our reduced usage of the old oven, the acrylic had started to crack and warp with the radiant heat.

We needed to remove the old material and replace it with an adequate option. Once again, Ana had seen at IKEA a stainless steel kitchen backsplash liner in a copper colour that would almost blend with The Dream cabinetry wood colour. These panels called Lysekil were double-faced with copper colour on one side and silver on the other although not specific for the purpose wanted, they were safe to use behind an induction plate but not suitable for open flame cookers.

It took us a couple of days to complete the removal task as we were working on this project whenever we had some idle time on the main project for the season.

We then used the old acrylic pieces to template the new ones, which we then installed with the help of heat-resistant construction silicon.

The recess now looked stunning, probably too good to be hidden by the new appliances.

To build the new gimbal we coupled the new IKEA induction plate with a bamboo top (a bamboo cutting board) that we found in a local Portuguese hardware shop. The board was just 5mm bigger than we wanted, and it was easy to just trim it down sand and prepare to cut the opening for the hob installation.

The next big challenge was the frame and gimbal system to hold the microwave and induction top. We built this using some inexpensive light mild steel angles available from the local hardware shop, bending and folding them to form the corners for the box shape that would hold the oven. We then added a piece of marine ply as a base that reinforced the unit and provided a surface for the oven to sit.

With a supporting box built, the focus was making it gimbal.

We test-balanced the whole structure with the appliances fitted to find the best pivoting point for the gimbal bolts to be installed. It took us just a couple of attempts until we were satisfied with the whole assembly but at this point, it still looked very brute built.

To give it a better look we painted the entire structure with a back matte heat-resistant spray paint made for barbecues, making the frame almost unnoticeable when the oven was installed. We also added a slide bolt to lock the cooker in place and a decorative grill to give a more finished look to the ventilation gap between the induction top and the oven.

We had been very concerned with the ventilation needs of both units allowing as much airflow all around the appliances as possible.

With the gimbal challenge sorted, the concern was what to do regarding the pot holders/fiddles.

This generated a lot of headache and debate but in the end, simpler solutions are always the best, and John disassembled the original pot holder assembly from the old cooker and cut the relevant pieces to size before screwing them to the bamboo top. The problem was solved, and we did not need to make or buy new pot holders!

Fitting the new cooker unit was easy enough with both appliances being less deep than the original cooker we marked the position of the original holes for the gimbal bracket as a reference and moved the entire unit back and forward until we were happy with the alignment of the oven with the front of the cabinetry and with the height of the induction top.

We screwed the original bracket into the new position, and the entire unit slipped into the space.

This is how we wanted the galley to look and work!

In the end the project including the refurbish of the cooker recess cost a third of the price of the marine option.

IKEA two hob induction plate - 229 Euros

Panasonic NN-CS89LB - 869.30 Euros (including delivery)

IKEA backsplash (2 units) for recess refurbishment - 40 Euros but we bought it in promotion at half price

Hardware shop supplies for gimbal frame including paint - around 70 Euros

Total cost for project - was 1200 Euros

How we are going to power these new power hungry appliances is detailed on Victron LiFePo4 battery upgrade (coming soon)

***The Dream is not affiliated or sponsored by IKEA or by Panasonic, this blog post is based solely on our experiences with the product.

***In the spirit of sharing our dreams and experiences we have shared this blog post in the NOFOREIGNLAND.COM website sailors community.

Almost a year down the road, how do you feel about it now? Still as happy with it as in the beginning? Does it ever happen you don't have enough electricity to cook?

Very very rarely we have to run the portable generator because we are running low on power. Usually that happens after weeks of overcast skies. Then we run the portable generator just enough to guarantee the night power needs and hive the system a chance to charge by solar.

In 2023 that happened during 1week of intense rains in Tobago (think in total that week we ran thr generator 4-5 h)

Very impressive. Bravo!

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Galley Klatch

• By Elaine Lembo
• Updated: July 28, 2010

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It started with sea water standing in the galley sink. Each time Gwen Hamlin and Don Wilson’s Tackless II, a CSY 44 walk-through, sailed on port tack, the sinks backfilled if someone forgot to close the through hull. At anchor, they gurgled. A macerator installed in the sink’s exhaust line solved that.

While they were at it, and considering that they were about to head out on a 10-year sojourn through the Pacific Ocean, they ripped out the old sinks and installed a new, deeper, stainless-steel double. They also threw in a household pull-out sprayer faucet, molded countertops that shielded the oak joinery from stains, and a cutting board that fit over one of the sinks and could be slid from side to side while the boat was under way.

Moving on, they converted a starboard hanging locker to hold canned goods, had custom nesting box shelves built in to hold onions, potatoes, and tomatoes, mounted a microwave under the cockpit deck, and set up electrical appliances on an inboard ledge.

That work doesn’t even take into consideration a massive redesign, repurposing, and repowering of the fridge and freezer compartments.

Just as Gwen and Don wouldn’t head off with tattered sails or a natty inflatable, they wouldn’t dare overlook one of the most important components of their liveaboard boat-the galley.

Their vision would score points with any number of designers, fellow live-aboards, and builders who’ve spent time focused on the galley’s critical role, no matter what size the boat.

The refits that cruisers have undertaken, as well as the observations made by industry experts about layout, innovations, and improvements over the years, yield a hefty platter of points to consider when you’re contemplating your own refit project or boat-buying prospects.

A Sense of Proportion On the other end of the spectrum is Brandon Somers. who lives in the seaport village of Wickford, Rhode Island.

Somers, who grew up aboard the beefy 63-foot Lemsteraak Dutch sailing barge Brandaris, has chosen to downsize as an adult. With his sights set on cruising among southeastern New England’s anchorages and islands on overnights and weekend excursions, the 24-year-old Somers is midway through a complete refit of the modest galley on his 28-foot Pearson Triton.

As the plumber and mechanic for Jamestown Boat Yard on Conanicut Island in Rhode Island, Somers did his homework by photographing interiors of Pearsons he liked and had worked on.

Among the problems in the old galley? The starboard length of the saloon was entirely countertop, the boat lacked needed shelving and stowage, there was no table, and the icebox, with access from the cockpit, wasn’t really usable.

Among Somers’s additions are a two-burner stove, an accessible sink and icebox, a dinette that seats two, and a pressure water system. He’ll use propane for the stove and construct a deck box at the mast to accommodate the fuel source. And he’ll make a cushion/bunk on the starboard side of the saloon. “You need a place to sleep amidships,” he says.

A sense of proportion and creating a space that’s useful yet convenient are in line with Somers’ priorities, and it’s a wise choice as a project, according to designers and builders of leading production models.

A Designer’s Eye Apply methodical thinking to your situation, urges yacht designer David Pedrick. Pedrick’s prolific career has yielded such diverse results as America’s Cup racers and superyachts, restored one-off classics, and successful production models, including the Freedom 35.

“As with anything dealing with yachts,” he says, “space is precious. There’s never enough. You have to prioritize how to use space in a desirable way.”

The choices grow proportionately with size. A 30-footer is very limited, a 40-foot-plus boat gives you more latitude for, say, a three-burner stove with oven, and by the time you’re considering a 60-foot boat, cul-de-sac shaped galleys aren’t out of the question, Pedrick says.

With each incremental growth in boat size comes a threshold at which you have to think twice before adding the next amenity, yet even in a 30-footer, “you still want a sink that’s big enough to hold a pot or a dinner plate,” he says.

As amenities start to include things like microwaves and pressure water, Pedrick says, “You realize that it isn’t just galley space you need. You need power capacity, too.”

Real People, Real Numbers Typical cruisers sail about 10 percent to 20 percent of the time and spend the rest on the hook or in a marina. That realization in the last 20 years is what has largely influenced galley innovations, says Bruno Belmont, Beneteau Group Sailboats Development Director. With that title, Belmont’s been involved with oversight of designs for a wide range of Beneteaus as well as sailboats from Lagoon and Jeanneau.

“People used to comment about their sailing vacation by listing the number of miles sailed,” Belmont says. Acknowledging that actual miles sailed may be less in some cases made it possible to change perspectives about what a cruising sailboat should deliver, especially in the galley. Results have ranged from improvements in countertop surfaces and material to larger, more practical sinks, stoves and ovens of usable size, properly located lights, and last, but not least, practical and more energy efficient refrigeration. According to Belmont, refrigeration is the second biggest energy drain on a sailboat, after belowdecks lighting. ( “Reefer Madness”)

Adding that “a long battle has raged for years between front opening and top loading fridges,” Belmont says the end result is a stroke for power efficiency: front opening compartments for the refrigerator, and top loading compartments for freezers.

As well, Beneteau designers have improved the ability to use the galley under way, focusing attention on handrails, fiddles, hanging bars, and stove protection.

Housebroken Though the galley has always rated key consideration in sensible yacht design, changes over the last 25 years on the domestic front are influencing changes in the galley design, says Gerry Douglas of Catalina.

“It’s similar to what’s happened in houses,” says the Catalina corporate vice president and head of engineering. “Years ago, the galley was utilitarian. In some boats, the galley counter was actually a companionway step. Sometimes the galley was in the peak-if you had a paid hand.”

In residential design, Douglas says, the kitchen in the last 20 to 25 years has become a social space. More people are focused on food and food prep as a social activity.

“Food also takes on importance in cruising, and now the galley is front and center in the main cabin,” Douglas says, referring to changes in such newer Catalina models as the 445. “The cook’s at the sink and has eye contact with other crewmembers. The cook’s now engaged, looking into the main cabin, not with his or her back to the social space. It’s subtle, but important.”

While trends borrowed from home design enhance the galley experience, borrowing too much from designs meant for living on land can yield regrettable trends, he says, among them, “odd angles that don’t seem to make sense.”

“The galley is an interesting space-a combination of aesthetics and function,” he says, adding that the G, L, and J layouts give cooks a way to brace themselves under way.

Douglas’s enthusiasm for accommodating food preparation doesn’t include acceptance of all modern-day conveniences, like watermakers and microwaves. “Watermakers are like electronics,” he says. “They’re always getting better, cheaper, and easier to operate. Don’t buy one until you really need it. Also, realize that having one isn’t dependent so much on the size of the boat, but how much you actually use the boat.”

And, as for microwaves, “they’re the world’s most expensive bread box,” Douglas says, expressing his personal view, as microwaves are a feature that Catalina offers.

A Movable Feast Island Packet founder and designer Bob Johnson has a simple, direct way of expressing his priorities for the galley.

“If you’re going to cook a meal on a boat,” he says, “it should be like cooking a meal at home. Eating granola bars and drinking bottled water for days is not the way you want to go.”

That opinion and all it implies has guided the highly successful galley walk-in and walk-through variations Johnson has created for IP hulls in the 30 to 50 foot range. Besides the larger center cockpit models freeing up belowdecks space and sight lines nicely for the galley, while allowing “amazing walk-through space between counters,” all IP galleys, whatever the length, “must have working space for real people and all the safety considerations,” Johnson says.

And regardless of the make and model, even on a 30-footer, Johnson says, you need stowage for cutlery; dishes; dry storage; a good icebox either of one or two compartments; and a two-burner stove.

Expanding on signature must-haves (see his list), Johnson explains what goes into his thinking when it comes to the designing of IP galleys.

“It’s nice to be able to find the oil, have a place to chop vegetables, have the spices within reach,” he says. “I prefer to dry dishes and let them nest. You need a stove with a good oven. You need to be able to operate it safely, so it needs to be gimballed and you need to be able to strap yourself in with a harness. You can put a very large pot under the gimballed stove.”

And Johnson agrees with Catalina’s Douglas that the best in home-kitchen design can also find an appropriate corollary afloat. “Like a house, the galley is the central gathering point,” he says, noting with irony, “I eat better when I’m sailing than I do at home.”

“As a designer, cruiser, and onboard cook,” he says, “and knowing owners who enjoy cooking on board, it’s practical to consider these points.”

He Wrote the Book When Donald Launer got to his 17th sailboat, the bare fiberglass hull of a schooner, and was faced with constructing everything from scratch, he went looking for advice in his vast nautical reference library at home in New Jersey.

He couldn’t find much of anything written about galleys, either new or refit. The Galley: How Things Work ($18; 2009; Sheridan House) is his way of filling that gap, by documenting everything he did. It’s a thorough compilation of galley infrastructure and resources, materials choices, and galley hardware, from types of water tank materials to stoves, fuel, pumps, electrical requirements, as well as construction considerations.

“I had experience in putting things together,” he says. “It seemed appropriate to help others who were either modifying or building their galleys from scratch.”

Galley Classroom “Before you go cruising, it’s hard to imagine exactly what it will be like,” says voyager, author, and website creator Kathy Parsons.

“The galley is a real important part of the boat and a segue to learning about other things, like refrigeration and plumbing. This is a really great way for women to transition into the cruising life,” she says.

Besides creating the Women and Cruising website ( www.womenandcruising.com ) to address resources geared to female crew, Parsons interviewed 18 women solely about galleys. The result is a gold mine of advice and ideas about provisioning, what works when living aboard, what doesn’t, what they like, and what they’ve changed.

Many of the women, like Hamlin of Tackless II, undertook extensive refits and in at least one instance, design, aboard a variety of boats, from a 46-foot Crowther catamaran to a Whitby 42. Even in the most minimal of projects, recurrent themes and a few surprises emerge. One woman, a professional interior designer and the co-owner of the Crowther, lofted the galley on paper and then made a plywood and cardboard mockup to test usability of the new layout.

Aside from that owner, most of the women are aboard used boats. Their liveaboard priorities are strikingly in line with those of builders and designers of new boats: better, more efficient, front-loading refrigeration; more and accessible stowage; more counter space made of durable materials; roomier walkways to accommodate more than one person; stronger lighting and additional ventilation; range/stove hoods; filters for water taps; pressure water systems; eye contact with other crewmembers while cooking; and double sinks.

The main element of surprise is that these liveaboards, no matter what size the boat, altered galleys to accommodate a host of electrical appliances, particularly, microwaves. Read each woman’s account carefully and realize that a range of personal preferences and divergent opinions also emerge and influence their work. You’ve gotten a taste of valuable insights into galley refit and design. There’s only one thing left to say: Bon appetit!

CW deputy editor Elaine Lembo has earned her keep working in galleys luxurious and rudimentary throughout New England and Caribbean waters.

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Hi everybody! My husband and I are refitting our Catalina 27 - our first boat. We intend her ultimately for coastal cruising in a couple of years. Until then, she's on a South Texas lake. In the midst of the plethora of projects, large and small, looms the Galley Refit. She wasn't originally ordered with a complete galley - I'm lucky in that I have her original spec sheet, so I know what came from Catalina what was added/subtracted subsequently. We've decided on an Origo alchohol/electric two-burner stove, a rebuild of the icebox with more modern insulation, and leave the sink/foot-pump water system as it is. I can stand that. However, the counters... Honestly, they aren't all that bad, but the cutout is absolutely wrong for the stove. What's the opinion on counter materials? Corian - pricey? Tile scares me because 1) the backerboard alone is very heavy and 2) boats flex more than land-based kitchens, I would think, which might lead to problems. Formica again? That's what's there and they're making pretty Formica these days. Am I worried about nothing? Thanks! Debbi s/v Gypsea 1977 Catalina 27  

As someone in the restaurant biz, I love the look and finish of stainless counters. Looks better as it wears and is easy to keep clean. BUT getting it made right (the first time) can be a real challenge and is really pricey compared to laminate on top of 1/2" ply. It is also hard to modify sitting at the dock unlike laminate. Have fun. I'm doing a new ply / laminate counter as soon as I can get to the boat under all that snow. And once the Toronto Island ferries run a decent schedule.  

Formica is light, affordable and very workable - a great choice for countertops.  

I'd just rebuild with the proper cutout using a good quality arborite/formica. Corian style counters are in vogue nowadays, but they make creating a decent fiddle that works and looks right more difficult. You really need some kind of edge on the countertop to prevent stuff from sliding off in wave or wake induced motion.  

If the counters aren't all that bad, why not just get the same type of counter top that is there now? Another option is some of that Marine Lumber that West Marine caries. What it is, is like a synthetic lumber that actually a type of rubber/plastic. Kind of like that new composite material that they use to build decks and docks around a marine enviroment. Would be excellent in a boat and easy to clean. Personally, I HATE the two burner alcohol stove in my boat. It just doesn't get hot enough for me, and I like to cook. I would go with propane, I know I will on my next boat. Good luck with getting her ready to go! Maybe you'll pass by my way on your way to the Keys in a few years!  

My last boat had an origo alcohol, I hated it. My new boat has propane and I love it. As far as the counter top Formica works great but make sure you have a lip on the edge. I have formica with a wood facing that comes up above the counter top. Keeps things sort of in place in the waves.  

We're going with Corian, it's easy to work with ( think wood ) cuts, routers like hardwoods and edging can either be in Corian or teak or even Corian with teak inlays. We, look at a Tayana 55 several years ago that had ceramic which was really nice and grouting was with a caulking, I wouldn't be too concerned with CT tops, also 1/4 hardibacker is pretty lightweight All our tops, tables and even the nav desk is formica right now and though formica has a lot of choices, Corian is just easier for me to work with. Plus we want the polished granite look  

Got any pix of your galley? We have a little Liberty 28 cutter with a galley that I refurbished. The biggest item was the Force 10 propane stove top burner... Picasa Web Albums - Voyager - Boat Decor  

Nice boat, interior and exterior...  

Very nice work, Sander.  

DaleDoll said: What's the opinion on counter materials? Corian - pricey? Tile scares me because 1) the backerboard alone is very heavy and 2) boats flex more than land-based kitchens, I would think, which might lead to problems. Formica again? That's what's there and they're making pretty Formica these days. Am I worried about nothing? Click to expand...

sailingdog said: LEither- I think you're a bit confused... I haven't worked with Corian much at all... The last kitchen I did work on had granite counters. I'm not a big fan of using starboard for things, and think that a marine plywood with formica laminate would probably be the way to go. Click to expand...

You all are wonderful! Thanks so much! I forgot to mention that we have the original teak edging on the counters. I'll have to get my husband, the woodworker, to create one piece for me to go over the opening where the original Princess stove would have slid in, but that's not a big deal. I think we may well go with Formica over marine ply. I guess I'll have to revisit the stove issue. We currently have no dedicated ventilated locker for propane storage - the gas tanks for the outboard motor sit in the stern locker, which would have been my first choice. Fortunately, we're at the planning/dreaming stage of the galley refit. We're still recovering from the initial purchase and what we had to invest to make her safely sailable. ;-) Deb s/v Gypsea 1977 Catalina 27  

We've used Corian, Surrell, and Avonite on boats. Surrell is what I have the most experience with personally. If you use their adhesive, you can make invisible joints and attach fiddles and backsplashes easily and strongly. You can also join smaller pieces to get the size and shape you want, but be sure to use a plywood substrate as Sailormann mentioned. Personally, I loathe Avonite (I've only used it once though): it doesn't finish well and cracks easily. The Corian brand is the like the 'Kleenex' of countertop materials. Oh, and he's bang-on about Starboard too. It's good for fish tables in the cockpit, making up equipment panels for the engine room and it makes great drawer slides. It does hold screws as long as you predrill them, but the threads don't have enough bite to sink a countersunk head without stripping. Apparently they make an adhesive for it but I've never tried it.  

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OK guys, I have finally went through some pics and have a small batch to post... I have a ton and am about 3/4 through the refit. There will be more photos of that later. Attached are the photos from the fall and winter, when I did the glass work. There are also a few attached of the new construction. Trust me there will be more... but here are a few highlights from over the winter. 1. Tear down of the interior 2. What I found under the sole 3. One of the cracks in the rear transverse stiffener 4. The cracks in the transverse stiffener cut out 5. Damage removed from forward transverse stiffener 6. The interior hull cleaning begins 7. Rear transverse stiffener glass work, filler finished..primer drying 8. Forward transverse stiffener glass work, filler finished..primer drying 9. Beginning to sand the sole for refinish.. Look how nasty it was. 10. The beginning of the new cabinet behind the stove 11. The beginning of the new captains table with radius 12 The new laminate, with a sample of the old Teak wood. 13. Starboard side wall where the table attaches.. new laminate applied. 14. New laminate installed behind port side settee on hull sides. The old black plex cabinets GONE!. Again, just the highlights. There are a lot more construction pics to follow soon. Thanks everyone...  

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All I can say is ..... WOW  

Wow, complete refurb. What is your projected time of completion?  

Benny, if I can keep my current pace, it should be done by May 1st. There is a lot more done than the pics above indicate, I just haven't had the time to sort through the new photos and post yet. It has been tough, I work from home and also look after our 2 kids, ages 2 and 5. The wife works outside the home, so I only work on the boat at night and on the weekends. To further complicate issues, my buddy who has the wood working shop is only available on weekends, so any custom cabinetry has to be built over a weekend. So I usually go there on Saturdays with my plans and measurements, and we kick butt building something, or multiple pieces, then I bring it home, dry fit, then take it back and we do the laminate at the shop. The upside is that the oiled cherry laminate really looks spectacular.. I mean like real wood. I am very pleased. I think the coolest, most eye pleasing things I have done are removing the plexiglass cabinets in the salon and doing the walls in cherry, resizing the galley and moving the stove, the cabinet behind the stove, the new chart table and the new electrical center. I will post more pics very soon.....I promise. Crossing my fingers that we can have her in the water by mid May......  

WOW ! as Rick said ! Really doing some neat stuff, Brian.. Those pix you posted are priceless for underfloor detail ! THANKS !  

Wow thanks for sharing all the work you are doing with us. !! Just one question, what caused all the cracks in the floor pan , did the boat suffer a hard grounding ?? Regards  

Tully.... The boat was set into her cradle REAL HARD when pulled out 7 years ago... Based on the damage, she wasn't set too hard, but enough that the impact pushed up on the keel to hard and ....well...cracks... Not sure if the crane operator was doing it on a friday afternoon at 4:30 or what... but basically set down real hard... with the jacks not adjusted properly. No evidence what so ever of grounding, other than needing paint, the bottom and keel are in great shape... This is why I stole this thing from the previous owner. They got estimates on the repair..as I am sure other potential buyers did... They were asking almost 30k for her until they found out how bad the damage was...then they decided to lower price.... we haggled for several weeks and I got her for 9k. Including all of the glass supplies, and materials used to do the interior refit and exterior refurb, I am still only at 12k or 13K TOTAL..... including the purchase price... and it will be virtually new from top to bottom, inside and out... Still have to paint deck and purchase material for cushions..so still a tad more cash flow before she is done... It has been a lot of work..and as you can see at the start, a VERY dirty job... She was very well cared for before the previous owners just got too old to deal with it... He was 87 when he sold it to me. Would I do it again, absolutely! We are having thoughts of selling this one in a couple years to move into a bigger one.... Don't mind a refit... BUT...I could do without the fiberglass work! More pics coming soon... thanks for your interest guys.....  

Hi Brian I figured it would have been something like that. Just normal wear and tear shouldn't cause that kind of stress breakage. You will love the boat when you get her done, I sailed a 1986 Legend 35.5 from Puerto Rico to New York city, years ago . Great trip , nice sailing boat. . Enjoy .. Regards  

Thanks Tully, we can't wait to get her in the water... we have been told it sails great and is very fast....All I know is I have been working on it since the first week of October.... can't wait for a launch..... Puerto Rico to New York sounds like an awesome trip... One day we hope to voyage like that... but little steps first right?  

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Hey Brian... Awesome stuff! Can't wait to see the next pix and what the fiinal outfitting looks like! And, as Claude said, many thanks for the interior floor pan pix to add to the file of H34 boat info... Can you believe 70 degrees up here in PA! Going to the boat this week for the hull wash and wax to start the spring prep...  

Brian: In your fourth photo, there are a couple of large rectangular cutouts on the structural cross member just forward of the companionway stairs. Do you know why this was done? I am not an engineer, but I would suspect that may be an issue considering the grid is a structural part of the boat.  

Dan, thank you...the next group of pics are gonna be awesome... it really doesn't look anything like an 84 Hunter 34 now.... I know... 70 Degrees here too in Ohio..I am lovin it..especially after working all winter in the cold... I did have heaters in the boat though. Steve, yes, they are structural. They are called "transverse stiffeners" according to Hunter.. After consulting directly with Hunter several times, and them seeing the actual photos, they assured me "No Big Deal"... They also used the words " Looks worse than it is" ... I felt the same way you probably do, but they said not a problem. The reason for the cracks were that it was set down very hard... but after I cut out all of the bad fiberglass, which had to be done in order to get back to good fiberglass, a deeper problem was revealed. In the sections cut out there was a thickness in one area of almost a 1/2 inch of glass and resin, in the area where it cracked, an 1/8 of an inch...INCLUDING gel coat. I was absolutely floored... After I made a post several months ago about shoddy workmanship, allot of people came back with " This is the way a production boat is" .... still, I thought, in a 10 inch wide span of glass, the thickness going from 1/2 to 1/8 and then up again was a little ridiculous. I used West System Epoxy as well as several different thicknesses of glass, laid in various directions in order to get the strength back. The ground bevel on the repair area was a minimum of 12 to 1 and clear up to 20 to 1 angle, based on glass thickness. They actually said, it would be a bit stronger in that area when done... They also said that the grid is made to flex, that it actually has to, in order to distribute load. Believe me, I am crossing my fingers too... but they said fix it, and don't worry about it.....  

Is anyone else's companionway ladder off center? Mine isn't.  

Allan, funny you say that. I have often wondered why they did it too. I have come down and missed the step on more than one occasion. The only thing I can figure is that it puts it more in line with the area between the 2 settee's and a little more to the side of the galley. I may move it, but not sure yet.  

Mine is off center.. Steve, Those cut-outs were done by Brian to get the cracks out.. that is normally closed.. Middle row, third shot shows it repaired and what it normally looks like  

Allan... Mine's off-center too and so has all the other H34's I've been on (at one point there were four at my Club). If your's isn't, what year and hull # is your boat? Could a PO have moved it prior to your ownership? Just curious...  

any more updates?  

There will be another batch of photos soon. Most of the interior installed....but lots of detail work and final fitting going on right now. Will post pics soon  

Still waiting for those updates!  

That is a fine mess you have there. I almost envy you.  

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