 | | | Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. | | | | | | 24-01-2022, 13:10 | | | | . It was great that so many people responded, and I learned a lot from that.
So, with that happy experience fresh in mind, I've decided to post a few more threads, to seek the opinions and hard-earned experience of the board denizens on specific features of I wonder about.
The first feature up for discussion: .
Growing up in Michigan in the 1960s and 70s these were extremely rare, and I don't remember seeing any growing up at any of the many docks we visited while sailing and motoring in Lake Huron and Lake Michigan.
As a result they have always seemed a bit exotic or weird to me.
In fact (perhaps like others) the first yacht I remember noticing was the one used as a prop by the Sonny Crockett character on Vice. There was no back then, so I just sort of wondered about it's odd shape, without knowing anything else about it.
used in different seasons, but they settled out on an Endevour 42 for the last several. Here's a , and here's a picture of the which shows off the layout:
CONS: with fold-down transom from you've ever sailed on
I'm suspecting that there are more advantages, or the importance of some of them is more pronounced than I understand.
I notice that there seem to be some very dedicated fans of the design. I also notice that even the most committed builders of center yachts, like Hallberg-Rassy, tend to also build traditional rear-cockpit layout boats too (often of the same basic boat). So, not everyone is on them.
Please help educate me on the pros and cons of center-cockpits, and particularly those of you who own them: why did you decide on the less common layout when your boat? | | | | | 24-01-2022, 13:26 | | | | this in the wrong sub-forum) it was the original folding . I was living in the bay area, and their were suddenly these weird trimarans everywhere. The center cockpit was about the least unusual thing about that boat, so I didn't think about it much until recently.
| | | | | 24-01-2022, 13:38 | | Boat: Hunter 340
| . Depending on the layout you can end up with a very large full beam rear .
Since you mentioned HR 50 here is the deckplan as an example.
bay which is now pushed forward. You aren't going to get those spacious floating condo style layouts like on most modern boats.
Some would say that is a good thing although space sells right now. | | | | | 24-01-2022, 13:57 | | | | looking boat yourself, the . Did you consider any center-cockpit sailboats when you were ?
| | | | | 24-01-2022, 13:59 | | Boat: Sabre 402
| of waves hitting the aft quarters & transom keep you awake. There may be some debate about dryness. Forward areas on a boat are usually wetter, though the height of the center cockpit above the , along with built-up coamings and dodgers, might mitigate that some. There's usually more spray, which is why they have the coamings and dodgers. The added height also adds to the sense of motion...like getting seasick from being up the . Imagine getting catapulted by the motion, rather than actually being safer. High coamings can make it more difficult to get out of the cockpit to attend to docklines, fenders, or other issues that crop up. The 'commanding view' to leeward is cut off by the even more than from an aft-cockpit boat. As noted, getting out of the cockpit to look behind the can be difficult. This is not safe. Besides not having easy access to the swim ladder a center-cockpit also means added steps to get up out of the main cabin each time. The added steps to the cockpit sole also occupants up into the range of the boom. To make it safer, booms are then rigged higher, raising the CE of the sail so that the boat heels more easily...which adds to the sense of motion. Everything on a boat is a compromise. Your boat, you decide. | | | | | 24-01-2022, 14:48 | | Boat: Beneteau 432, C&C Landfall 42, Roberts Offshore 38
| .....my first boat, in my opinion, is that this is too small for a center cockpit. Again, my personal opinion, is that you need at least 45' to successfully implement a center cockpit.
My second boat was 42', though the center cockpit was more manageable, I had a entrance at the front and rear of the cockpit, but rarely used the rear one, though it was nice to to open to allow a breeze back there. I still think 45' is the minimum.
A center cockpit tends to get wet, as it so much closer to bow and like other posters have mentioned, it is generally quite high. Typically centered near the aft-middle of the boat, it eats up prime boat real estate.
An aft cabin is nice, probably the nicest feature of any center cockpit boat, but keeping this cabin cool is an issue. The rest of the boat gets kinda chopped up.
Center cockpit boats typically have little (if any) locker space in the cockpit.
Switching gears, my last boat has the open aft cockpit so favored by the French. At first I thought this was nuts, but I have come to love this . Hands down, it is my preference now. An aft cockpit gives you oodles of under the cockpit space, plus being at the tail end of the boat, is drier.
It's different strokes for different folks....for sure...but having spend equal time on both aft and center cockpit boats, my preference these days is for an aft cockpit. I could probably list dozens more things that either bothered me or things I liked, but my preference is definitely slanted aft. | | | | | 24-01-2022, 15:02 | | Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
| reduce the available volume for the , which is where one spends their awake hours (if below decks-). Further, the in the passageway is a lousy solution for me. As the primary cook on our boat, I'd feel quite isolated stuck in one of those dungeons!
If your plans include having non-family guests often the relative privacy of an isolated aft cabin can be attractive, but for the typical cruising couple it seems unnecessary to me. And for those who think they will have lots of guests... well, you may be surprised how few of your friends will actually come to visit once you get very far away. The realities of visiting a distant yacht (especially with Covid) are more difficult that anticipated, and ambition fades!
Jim | | | | | 24-01-2022, 19:09 | | Boat: 35 Ft. cutter, custom
| | | | | | 24-01-2022, 19:10 | | Boat: Reinke S10 & Raven 26
| , and etc whilst underway. Also the extra steps mean falls and slips are more likely.
And whilst gunk holing, wet suits, and too.
In respect to the aft cabin. Another option is to have a rear to the aft cabin. My boat has this, although rather than a big double there are two quarter berths in the aft, plus a big locker and the steering/rudder system.
A positive is that the mainsheet traveller sits outside and behind the cockpit rather than intersecting it.
It was interesting to read the need for a . I agree. I've sailed a Ganley 34 centre cockpit without and it sure was wet wet wet. And also rather unpleasant too as there was nowhere to shelter from the . | | | | | 24-01-2022, 23:32 | | Boat: Jeanneau SO DS 49
| 50 cc and a 49 ds, I have to go with the Jeanneau's HUGE aft cockpit with it's easy access swim step for our multiple swims and dingy boardings. The had only a 6' long cockpit, where we spend most of our time.
Sure the aft cabin is nice, but the forepeak has way better ventilation. Hands down aft cockpit is way more useful in the tropics. But in high latitudes, cc's may have an advantage as you may spend more time in the huge aft cabin. | | | | | 24-01-2022, 23:46 | | Boat: Phantom 32
| | | | | | 25-01-2022, 06:00 | | Boat: Bavaria 36
| from 45 foot up. They are far too cramped below that. In the , CCs make everything more awkward. | | | | | 25-01-2022, 06:39 | | | | as we only have to tell them to stay inside the combing, and it contains our baby fairly well without worry. Another pro I would say is visibility, at the I'm high up and probably 12 feet closer to the front of the boat than an aft cockpit. I will admit I've tripped over the combing when trying to rush to the front, but aft cockpits have combings too. It is a pain to board. | | | | | 25-01-2022, 06:51 | | Boat: Beneteau 42cc
| , and love our Center Cockpit. We like having a front cabin for guests that has its own and sleeping area completely separate from ours. We like the 360 degree view when we are sitting in the cockpit. Our aft has steps down to the when open, and our wet dive stays there instead of going into the cockpit. At sunset we put chairs out on the aft to watch the sunset.on rough crossings we do need to put one side of our full enclosure up to stay dry, but that is only 1-2 times a year. When we were sailing we liked the full enclosure for warmth and freedom from bugs. It really is a personal preference, but we have owned both and for we like our 42CC | | | | | 25-01-2022, 07:38 | | Boat: Westerly Sealord
| but use it for sea stores.
The 'walk through' has standing due to cunning use of cockpit coamings and is home to my electronic command center and my technical library. Beneath that is a seaberth under which live , 240v and stuff.
The area also accomodates the and chart table and the settees double as seaberths. The galley does not have to live in the walkthrough.
On deck - I am mystified by this spray issue. Even when working to windward the will be on the bow, not right ahead, and any spray will blow off down wind. Who sails to windward anyway?
The cockpit sole is as high as it needs to be to clear the top of the plus a bit. Maybe 6 or 9 inches higher than an equivalent aft cockpit. That means one extra step in the companionway - if you can't handle that maybe sailing is not for you.
Stowage in the cockpit?
Only one locker I'm afraid - I call it the 'garden shed'. On the stbd side opposite the walk through it has standing and is home to the hot water tank, the FW pressure system, the fridge machinery, and the Eberspacher. That still leaves room for empty bidones, patogonian shore lines, fenders, lines, and other stuff.
The - Ed Dubois - managed to achieve all this without 'wedding caking' her.
One of the best features is aft of the cockpit, that lovely open area with room to stow the - none of those fugly davit thingoes - or set up your dive kit, whatever.
I won't go into the things I don't like about aft cockpit. OK now that you ask.
One thing I could never live with is an aft cockpit canoe sterned boat under 40 foot.
If you want to see 'junk on the trunk' on a cruising boat that is where to look.
At th end of the day it all comes down to design.
My next boat is going to be a cat - a big cat - monos are oh so yesterday.
I've had my 3/4 cockpit Westerly Sealord for just under 28 years which suggest she may just suit me.
Aft cabin - aka' the Master's Stateroom' aka 'my squat' aka 'the place down the back where everything that doesn't have a home goes' has room for a nice big inner sprung custom made mattress and I don't have to pack up and put everything away each morning when I get up. I don't live there on but use it for sea stores.
The 'walk through' has standing headroom due to cunning use of cockpit coamings and is home to my electronic command center and my technical library. Beneath that is a seaberth under which live , 240v and stuff.
The saloon area also accomodates the galley and chart table and the settees double as seaberths. The galley does not have to live in the walkthrough.
On deck - I am mystified by this spray issue. Even when working to windward the wind will be on the bow, not right ahead, and any spray will blow off down wind. Who sails to windward anyway?
The cockpit sole is as high as it needs to be to clear the top of the engine plus a bit. Maybe 6 or 9 inches higher than an equivalent aft cockpit. That means one extra step in the companionway - if you can't handle that maybe sailing is not for you.
Stowage in the cockpit?
Only one locker I'm afraid - I call it the 'garden shed'. On the stbd side opposite the walk through it has standing headroom and is home to the hot water tank, the FW pressure system, the fridge machinery, and the Eberspacher. That still leaves room for empty bidones, patogonian shore lines, fenders, lines, and other stuff.
The - Ed Dubois - managed to achieve all this without 'wedding caking' her.
One of the best features is aft of the cockpit, that lovely open area with room to stow the - none of those fugly davit thingoes - or set up your dive kit, whatever.
I won't go into the things I don't like about aft cockpit. OK now that you ask.
One thing I could never live with is an aft cockpit canoe sterned boat under 40 foot.
If you want to see 'junk on the trunk' on a cruising boat that is where to look.
At th end of the day it all comes down to the individual design - some some don't. | | | | | Thread Tools | | | | Rate This Thread | :
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