| is meant to hold the boat still in the a is meant to slow the boat For a cat/multi they are so much slippier than a mono (mainly because they are lighter and built to slip easily through the for speed in fair weather) that they run too fast down big waves, particularly in strong winds. The most comfortable ride for boat and crew is a little off the downwind course but as seas/wind builds the risk of sledging down the wave into the trough and burying a bow or more there becomes more likely. A will control the maximum speed, a tiny little storm stay/jib will help to maintain minimum speed (steerage way) in the troughs and to prevent backsliding on the next climb. Coming off the true down wind by much just increases the risk of a bow tucking into the rising water ahead. If the storm worsens (predicted or not) then the reduces downwind speed considerably but really should be over the bows, strung from both bows , and adjusted to meet incoming breakers dead on the bows. Chafing and even heat burn and cleat failure need to be planned for, they may well happen. Form my own experience in an old Prout running across the seas is the best way of getting rolled, and cats don't do 360's (40deg of heel is beyond half way to the neutral stability point). Into wind is an option to maintain some headway or off a lee shore, as close hauled as your boat will go but that's unlikely to in a proper gale. Downwind with the brakes on (unless you want to go that way of course) but and crews vary. Being at the helm and life belted and roped to something solid on the boat (with a knife taped to your thigh to cut the if she flips) is the only way to learn. Most is to manage the speed, keeping it generally below , and between too slow to manouvre in the troughs, and too fast for on the down slopes. lines required to secure the drogue, fatter the better, and some weight to stop it skipping over the surface behind you (that spare light in the aft locker for kedging off sandbanks would be ideal). 'Maxing Out' has some excellent videos and reports on this sort of stuff. Go check it out. From what I've read Every One is nervous in a storm for the first day, then just fed up of waiting for Neptune to calm herself down a bit. Note - All my sailing has been in sight of land, f7 gusting 8 in a shallow bay my worst sailing, and very little at night. I've read and listened a lot to be prepared. All I've learnt is a couple of tricks that might help, and the sure knowledge that it's far worse the first time it happens to you. Respect to the Sea! | 22-10-2011, 13:12 | | | 22-10-2011, 14:25 | | Boat: 56' Fountaine Pajot Marquises | | | | 22-10-2011, 19:02 | | Boat: Leopard 45, 45 feet, Jet Stream | , forgetting the maneuver that I described, you will at least stop relatively close to the victim. You could then start your engines and maneuver to your desired position, still hoisted, and then let the boat heave to at that spot. Particularly if you are the only one (or the only competent one) left on the boat, the actual recovery is likely to go much more smoothly. Double that if someone has to go in the water. Remember, if that should be necessary, you will need to keep the boat passively stopped and in position. You have thought of how you will bring the MOB on board, right? The sugar scoops are inviting, if there is not too much sea running so they don't slam up and down, but they are mighty close to your props, which, if you are depending on your engines, may not be in neutral. The sides of the are pretty high. You probably have something like a LifeSling, but you may need a for that, and the main , which is what you would use in the relatively stable area just aft of amidships, is probably shackled to the headboard way high up and out of convenient reach. Of course, it will definitely be shackled to the headboard if you have just dropped the main. Have you ever tried the "elevator"method to get someone aboard? You run a line from bow to stern, hanging a couple of feet deep in the water, in such a way that you can in one end of it. The MOB steps on the line and when you it in, he or she is raised up to where it is possible to roll under a lifeline or otherwise be helped aboard. It is surprisingly effective. Of course, the upper body must be supported until the victim is high enough to reach the toerail or , but the LifeSling can easily do that, without a halyard. The LifeSling, or any other lifejacket, could have been thrown a few feet to the MOB when he or she came alongside. Getting back to approaching under , if you were already motoring, you wouldn't have the option of using your . Here in the , we pick up lots of moorings, and I have always thought that there is much merit, if you still have one other crewmember aboard, to simply upwind to the MOB just like a (for which you have had lots of practice). When the MOB is dead ahead between the bows, your crewperson could almost hand the LifeSling down, and then lead the MOB around to the side while the engines were shifted into neutral. The MOB could not slip away, as the LifeSling would have him or her. Then, if the wave action permitted, the MOB could come aboard astern. On a rough day, the MOB could be brought aboard using the elevator method, engines in neutral in either case. Lots of the fun of having a boat comes from experimenting to see just what you and your vessel can easily do....there is always some tactic or another, although it varies from boat to boat. I will close with a very sad story concerning taking the time to drop your sails. Back in the 1980's, when I was based, I spent an agonizing night listening to the as a Canadian man just outside the Golden Gate (and the Coast Guard helo and that came to help) reference to the position of his wife. It was almost a flat calm when she went over, but he took a minute or so to drop the jib. In that time, he sight of her. About an hour later, they did find the he had thrown over, but she was never seen again. That is when I got to thinking seriously about, and practicing, how to get close to someone while keeping the boat under control, maybe singlehanded, with the sails up. I was also having my own little adventure at the same time, which yielded a parallel lesson. I had dropped a overboard as I was approaching the marina around midnight. I was motoring - remember, it was fairly calm - so I thought nothing of turning around and going back for it. Just before I was about to shift into neutral, when the was abeam of the forward bulkhead, I was shocked to see the fender get sucked right under the boat and back to the prop, fouling its line in both the prop and the rudder! Ever since, I have had tremendous respect for a prop's suction. And that was with a small 15 Hp engine! With the water too cold to safely jump in, and with the prop thoroughly fouled and the just marginally useful, I had to change my plans and sail for the marina in Berkeley, about five miles away. It was the only marina I could think of that I was confident of sailing into with a badly impaired . But, remember, there was very little to no wind. I did finally make it in, drifting and ghosting along with my fender in tow, just before dawn, and just as the Coast Guard had escorted the Canadian into a marina. My own problems were insignificant compared to the hours of tragedy I had listened to as they looked for the Canadian's wife. It was a very sad night, but one that was also loaded with lessons. So, next week when you get to go play with the boat, enjoy your experimenting; we will be eager to hear what you find she, and you, plan to do when put to the test. Cheers, Tim Cheers, Tim | | | 22-10-2011, 19:37 | | Boat: now skippering Syd Harbour charters | | | | 22-10-2011, 21:07 | | Boat: 56' Fountaine Pajot Marquises | this stuff there will be no reason to attend or buy "Sailing for Dummies" with your engines either shut down or in neutral . Heaving to gives you that steady, balanced position from which to effect the recovery. Even if you simply heave to the moment the person goes overboard, forgetting the maneuver that I described, you will at least stop relatively close to the victim. You could then start your engines and maneuver to your desired position, sails still hoisted, and then let the boat heave to at that spot. Particularly if you are the only one (or the only competent one) left on the boat, the actual recovery is likely to go much more smoothly. Double that if someone has to go in the water. Remember, if that should be necessary, you will need to keep the boat passively stopped and in position. . With two motors, that reason is removed. You have thought of how you will bring the MOB on board, right? The sugar scoops are inviting, if there is not too much sea running so they don't slam up and down, but they are mighty close to your props, which, if you are depending on your engines, may not be in neutral. The sides of the are pretty high. You probably have something like a LifeSling, but you may need a halyard for that, and the main halyard, which is what you would use in the relatively stable area just aft of amidships, is probably shackled to the headboard way high up and out of convenient reach. Of course, it will definitely be shackled to the headboard if you have just dropped the main. Have you ever tried the "elevator"method to get someone aboard? You run a line from bow to stern, hanging a couple of feet deep in the water, in such a way that you can winch in one end of it. The MOB steps on the line and when you winch it in, he or she is raised up to where it is possible to roll under a lifeline or otherwise be helped aboard. It is surprisingly effective. Of course, the upper body must be supported until the victim is high enough to reach the toerail or , but the LifeSling can easily do that, without a halyard. The LifeSling, or any other lifejacket, could have been thrown a few feet to the MOB when he or she came alongside. Getting back to approaching under power, if you were already motoring, you wouldn't have the option of using your sails. Here in the , we pick up lots of moorings, and I have always thought that there is much merit, if you still have one other crewmember aboard, to simply upwind to the MOB just like a mooring (for which you have had lots of practice). When the MOB is dead ahead between the bows, your crewperson could almost hand the LifeSling down, and then lead the MOB around to the side while the engines were shifted into neutral. The MOB could not slip away, as the LifeSling would have him or her. Then, if the wave action permitted, the MOB could come aboard astern. On a rough day, the MOB could be brought aboard using the elevator method, engines in neutral in either case. and circle the MOB. They grab the line, get in the sling or pull themselves to the back. Lots of the fun of having a boat comes from experimenting to see just what you and your vessel can easily do....there is always some tactic or another, although it varies from boat to boat. I will close with a very sad story concerning taking the time to drop your sails. Back in the 1980's, when I was based, I spent an agonizing night listening to the as a Canadian man just outside the Golden Gate (and the Coast Guard helo and boats that came to help) lost reference to the position of his overboard wife. It was almost a flat calm when she went over, but he took a minute or so to drop the jib. In that time, he lost sight of her. About an hour later, they did find the he had thrown over, but she was never seen again. That is when I got to thinking seriously about, and practicing, how to get close to someone while keeping the boat under control, maybe singlehanded, with the sails up. I was also having my own little adventure at the same time, which yielded a parallel lesson. I had dropped a fender overboard as I was approaching the marina around midnight. I was motoring - remember, it was fairly calm - so I thought nothing of turning around and going back for it. Just before I was about to shift into neutral, when the fender was abeam of the forward bulkhead, I was shocked to see the fender get sucked right under the boat and back to the prop, fouling its line in both the prop and the rudder! Ever since, I have had tremendous respect for a prop's suction. And that was with a small 15 Hp engine! With the water too cold to safely jump in, and with the prop thoroughly fouled and the rudder just marginally useful, I had to change my plans and sail for the marina in Berkeley, about five miles away. It was the only marina I could think of that I was confident of sailing into with a badly impaired rudder. But, remember, there was very little to no wind. I did finally make it in, drifting and ghosting along with my fender in tow, just before dawn, and just as the Coast Guard had escorted the Canadian into a marina. My own problems were insignificant compared to the hours of tragedy I had listened to as they looked for the Canadian's wife. It was a very sad night, but one that was also loaded with lessons. So, next week when you get to go play with the boat, enjoy your experimenting; we will be eager to hear what you find she, and you, plan to do when put to the test. Cheers, Tim Cheers, Tim | 22-10-2011, 22:04 | | Boat: Leopard 45, 45 feet, Jet Stream | zoomed over toward Marsha to save her! They must have thought we had had a major argument and Marsha was committing suicide....they were relieved to discover what we were up to. It is not unusual for some of the guests to get into the flow and jump over themselves. And, I have some of them steer. Of course, we also ALWAYS do this when we are doing an Cruising (114) course. Particularly when the Trades are honking and we are really zooming along, I am told that it is quite a rush to see, from sea level, Jet Stream come at you and then suddenly glide to a stop quite close. Wives, in particular, seem quite encouraged by taking part in either end of this exercise, gaining the knowledge and confidence that they will, in fact, be rescued if they go over, and that they can do a , themselves. All in all, it is quite fun, and can be something of a show-stopper. I highly recommend it, but do practice it a few times before you take it on Broadway. Cheers, Tim | | | 23-10-2011, 11:10 | | Boat: Still have the 33yo Jon boat. But now a CATAMARAN. Nice little 18' Bay Cat. | was to sail away and throw a line of "breadcrumbs". That never seemed very good to to me but there was always a bunch on board and so someone who was "free" could just stand and point. Fine except in real life like you describe. Thank you. | | | 25-10-2011, 13:51 | | Boat: FP Tobago 35 (and a H-21 SE) | , I would suggest that you take a close look at your entry and determine what would happen if you turned it towards a dangerous wave. My cat would certainly more likely survive rough seas from the bow rather than from the stern. | | | 29-10-2011, 19:00 | | Boat: Lagoon 380, 38', I Dream of Jeanne | that puts the sea anchor in sink with the boat, so that they are both in the troff or top of the waves at the same time. Another trick I saw relative to the sea anchor, is to run the from one side of the boat back to a winch, THEN run a line from a winch on the OTHER side of the boat with a large block on the end to the bow. Put the rode through the block off the bow, now you can adjust the angle that the boat faces. Regarding heavy on a cat. I would elect to deploy a Jordan Series Drogue off the stern and run with the seas. I don't like the idea of sitting in a mess, I would rather be moving. The Jordan Series Drogue was developed in concert with the Coast Guard and I don't think that a boat has EVER broached using one. A couple of problems with the drogue. First you have to have a strong point to attach it to the transom. Most boats don't come with an adequate strong point to attach a drogue. I installed mooring bitts on the outsides of my decks, just forward of the transom steps to attach the drogue . Taking care to leave a clear rope path up to the winches on either side of the top, to winch the drogue back in. Mounting the mooring bitts to the is another long and involved process, at least to do it right. | | | 30-10-2011, 15:07 | | Boat: Islander Freeport 41' Ketch | | | | 30-10-2011, 16:25 | | Boat: Vandestadt ketch 42 | | | | Thread Tools | | Rate This Thread | : | Posting Rules | post new threads post replies post attachments edit your posts is are code is are are are | Similar Threads | Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post | | papagena | Multihull Sailboats | 12 | 23-12-2011 10:21 | | fabrik | Dollars & Cents | 0 | 16-09-2011 06:11 | | Bruce626 | Multihull Sailboats | 3 | 06-08-2011 20:06 | Privacy Guaranteed - your email is never shared with anyone, opt out any time. | | | |
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Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now. Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41. Posts: 18,967. Images: 56. Re: Hoving to in a Catamaran. try heaving to. hove is a past tense form of the verb. y0u heave your boat to the seas. the condition of heaving to. 20-10-2011, 15:06. # 3. thinwater.
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Safety and Rest: Heaving-to can provide a more comfortable and stable platform for the crew in rough conditions. It allows the crew to rest, tend to injuries, or address equipment problems without the constant motion and stress of sailing in heavy seas. Reducing Speed: Sometimes, you might want to slow down or delay your arrival at a destination.
Most catamarans actually can't heave to. When a monohull heaves to, part of what makes it work is the action of the sails pivoting around the keel - and the keel provides drag and dimension stability that reduce leeway. Catamarans don't have keels. At least, not deep keels with heavy ballast bulbs.
Heaving To On a Catamaran. One of the most common complaints you'll hear is that people have trouble getting catamarans to heave to. This is because catamarans have an incredible amount of windage on their topsides, which gives them more tendency to fall off to leeward sooner. One technique is often described as parking a cat.
So, the basics of heaving to are: The headsail is backed to windward. The mainsail is set to leeward. The helm is turned to windward. In the simplest of measures the combination of these three settings will make the sailboat heave to or at least come to a stop.
In the type of boats with the headsail-mainsail sail plans where heaving-to is most effective, be it a catamaran, trimaran, keelboat, winged-keelboat, or simple dinghy, there are a few basic forces with which you have to contend while maneuvering of which heaving-to takes advantage. In order to talk about that, however, we first have to deal with
How to heave to. The goal of heaving to is to balance the mainsail and a back-winded headsail so that they cancel each other out. When done properly, the boat stays at roughly a 40-50 degree angle to the wind and waves while making minimal headway. Finding that balance is different on each boat.
The reason people don't talk about heaving to with catamarans is that it just isn't necessary. Cruising catamarans sail relatively flat and while they jerk back and forth and can have very hard wave strikes under the bridge deck it is nothing like the deep heel and large scale violent movements of a monohull. There is no need to heave to to ...
Learn how to sail better than ever before when you understand the basic skill of heaving-to. Need to stop your boat without an anchor to rest, relax, cook a ...
A catamaran will indeed heave-to, though in my experience they make considerable leeway with their shallow keels. Most cruising cats have enormous full-roach mainsails, small fractional jibs and little rudders, so much tweaking is required to get them to play nicely with the waves. ... Fore-reaching is akin to heaving-to and also depends on the ...
Simply put, heaving-to is a maneuver used to slow a sailboat's progress and calm its motion while at sea. When successfully "hove-to," a sailboat will gently drift to leeward at a greatly reduced speed. The reasons for heaving-to are numerous and often situational. When teaching students the maneuver, I impart the three Rs of heaving-to ...
Heaving to - What is it and why should know how to do it?
In this video I explain how to heave to with a sailboat. You find links to my book and to all videos of my free video sailing course below.00:00 Intro00:08 M...
Heaving-to is a simple maneuver that places the vessel in a balance of forces, allowing it to "fend for itself" while sailing slowly and under control. ... Even the catamaran can heave to. Heaving-to is a great storm strategy, but it is also a useful fair-weather technique for loitering or holding in a particular area without anchoring:
This corresponded to a 52' wave for a catamaran of 40' beam. Scaling this down to a typical 24' beam cruising cat means she should be O.K. in a 31' breaking beam sea. An equivalent size mono-hull power boat was easily capsized by a 25' breaking sea, and in tests with conventional yachts after the Fastnet disaster, it was found that a 40' mono ...
Heaving to - no jib - for a seawind 1000/xl/xl2 To hove-to your Seawind completely furl the Jib, it plays no part. Set the Main Traveler fully out with Main Sheet on. Head the Main Sail directly into the wind, stop the boat and lash the Helm on full lock. Head to wind will be around 40 degrees off the bow. The vessel will drift backwards until the Main Sail drives the boat forward at around 60 ...
There are a couple of ways to get out of the hoove to position. (1) Straighten the wheel, release the jib sheet and tighten up on the mainsheet - your boat will start moving in the direction it was pointing. (2) Leave the jib where it is, tighten up on the main, turn the wheel to leeward and gybe the boat around.
The heaving to can be done without touching the sails, with little practice or training and singlehanded. You can do this in a cat, or at least in a Leopard 45/47. When teaching ASA 114 (cruising catamaran), I always throw this maneuver in, as well as the normal MOB drills, which students have to demonstrate in order to pass. Guess which one ...
Specifically, most cats are happy and safe sailing at 6-7 degrees of heel as measured in flat water, or on the trough of a wave. As the boat approaches 10 degrees of heel, the windward hull will be close to lifting. It is safe to say that a cat should not lift its weather hull while on a cruising passage!
It's day 54 of confinement or day 14 of easing of our confinement on Kiapa Nui! In our sixteenth episode in this series we review heaving to on a catamaran....
Heaving to can be useful for reefing (or dropping) the main. In fact, if conditions are rough or you don't have an autopilot, heaving to whilst reefing comes in pretty handy. When you want to have lunch in more peace & quiet, and you are not up against a particular schedule, heaving to can be very pleasant, and lets the helmsman enjoy the meal ...
Heaving to - no jib - for a seawind 1000/xl/xl2 To hove-to your Seawind completely furl the Jib, it plays no part.Set the Main Traveler fully out with Main Sheet on. Head the Main Sail directly into the wind, stop the boat and lash the Helm on full lock. Head to wind will be around 40 degrees off the bow. The vessel will drift backwards until the Main Sail drives the boat forward at around 60 ...