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420 SD vs Tiara 4300 Sovran - help me decide.
- Thread starter sb in gp
- Start date Nov 3, 2013
- Nov 3, 2013
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It's been a while since I posted here. I'd appreciate advice/opinions from the great CSR crowd. I'm looking to upgrade from my 320 to something a little bigger. Here are my primary needs: Would like to have more cabin room for longer range cruising in the Great Lakes (3-10 days overnight). The 320 is a great boat but with 4 sleeping aboard my wife has stumbled to the head in the dark for the last time. Kids are teenagers now, so if we're going to travel, we'll likely be taking friends. Would also like to travel with another couple down the road, so separate quarters is a must. I've narrowed my search down to two boats: 2005 420 SD with about 700 hours (Cummins 480) 2006 Tiara 4300 Sovran with about 300 hours (Volvo IPS 500) Both are loaded, and in great shape. Space / Sleeping quarters: The 420 has quite a bit more room, due to the bridge. I think the 420 can sleep 6 comfortably, and the Tiara sleeps 4 comfortably. Price: The Tiara is about $50K more - I could afford it, but not sure I want to go that far into debt. Resale value: I see the Tiara having better resale value, plus it is a year newer Maintenance: Weekly maintenance is less on the Tiara without all the isinglass and canvas. Maintaining the IPS pods will add costs, not sure how much. Performance: I think the Tiara is a better handling boat by far, the bridge boat is going to be tippy, and the IPS system is hard to match. Is the tipping feel a big issue coming from a Sundancer? The 420 has bow and stern thrusters so dock maneuvering should not be an issue. Does anyone think the Tiara is going to be underpowered with the 500's? Sorry to be so long winded. Any advice would be appreciated.
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I am going through the exact same process. Here are my thoughts on our situation and maybe you can get something out of it. I had a 300 Sundancer that we ended up mostly using for day boating (hanging out on the hook all day - but returning to the slip and going home at the end of the day). My wife ended up not liking the underground cave feeling and she preferred not to sleep on it because of that. She wants the open condo/apartment feeling of a bridge boat. So it ended up being my man-cave and a big toilet area for her for our day outings. We just moved to coastal South Carolina and our boating style will switch to destination boating to stay on the boat for up to a week (maybe two weeks) at friend's locations in cities between 30 and 200 miles away. I love Tiara's and would own one over a comparable Sea Ray all things being equal, but price was out of the question for me and its still an underground finished basement. So the spouse would have nixed it. So we are working on finding a 400DB (the 420DB is out of my price range). So for us, the style of the boat was most important along with price, obviously. Make sure you are OK with the underground living if you go with the Tiara. Hope that helps.
sb in gp said: Here are my primary needs: Would like to have more cabin room for longer range cruising in the Great Lakes (3-10 days overnight). Would also like to travel with another couple down the road, so separate quarters is a must. 2005 420 SD with about 700 hours (Cummins 480) 2006 Tiara 4300 Sovran with about 300 hours (Volvo IPS 500) Click to expand...
The 420DB isn't a "tippy" boat by any stretch of the imagination. They are solid and well proportioned and are infact, one of the more predictable small bridge boats around. The feeling you get is quite common for a DA owner moving up to a DB....takes about a day to get over it. However, the ride is completely different on a DB. Since you are about 8 ft higher than on a comparable DA, you get some added moment to any wave action. A strong beam sea tends to amplify the motion, but I still find it manageable. My background is pretty diverse.....I run boats for the local dealer and run a 54 Hat and a 55 Viking for friends so I spend quite a bit of time on bridge boats. A boat is a boat to me. I own a DA and prefer them for ease of maintenance and operation but the ride really doesn't matter to me.
The 2006 version of IPS is prone to a few known issues. Volvo has updated the material used on the seals and the old drives are prone to water intrusion, make sure the drives have been updated. The 43 Sovran is a great boat, however its not as seaworthy as the open series due to the wide beam (14'"9). This is our 2nd boat with IPS and we would never go back to conventional drives.
- Nov 4, 2013
I would second all of the positive notes on the 420DB. We recently purchased a 420DB for all of the reasons given. We have been on board a 400DB a number of times and we really liked the design and space of the sedan bridge. Our 2005 420 has the step up dining table which has a better view than the 400. Also having two heads with showers is really nice. Moving up from sail boats I was concerned about movement, but the 420 seems stable and the hull design is one of the best in this size class as stated by seasoned power boaters.
Thanks for all the feedback. Very helpful.
- Nov 6, 2013
timemachine
I had a similar dilemma between 43 sovran and 420 Sundancer. Decided on sundancer because of engines and drives. I really like having shafts over pods and the 65K savings was nice too
What about something like this beast? http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1998-Tiara-43-CV-101805050 or this http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2006-Tiara-convertible-99069712 These boats will have very good range and are tanks.
- Nov 9, 2013
Thanks Kevin. Both look like great boats. It does not look like the first boat has 2 cabins, and the second has no swim platform. I think shipping either of these from FL to MI is going to be costly because they'll have to take the bridge off. I also prefer how the 420 DB has seating area on the bridge so that you can drive with your guests nearby. Scott
- Nov 10, 2013
There are a few 43 Convertible Tiaras in the Great Lakes, one actually that is completely updated and beautiful. Take another look
- Dec 27, 2013
Ok, let me ask the question again with a twist: I have found a 2006 Tiara 4300 Sovran and a 2005 Sea Ray 420 Sedan Bridge and negotiated to the same price. The Tiara is in salt, and the Sea Ray is all freshwater. Thoughts? Thanks, Scott
The 420DB is one pretty boat! Fresh water wins as well.
sb in gp said: Ok, let me ask the question again with a twist: I have found a 2006 Tiara 4300 Sovran and a 2005 Sea Ray 420 Sedan Bridge and negotiated to the same price. The Tiara is in salt, and the Sea Ray is all freshwater. Thoughts? Thanks, Scott Click to expand...
If the 4300 Sovran is in the mix a 42 Open should be considered as well. Straight inboards,lots of room, choice of layouts, and great sea keeping qualities would make it worthy of a look.
- Dec 28, 2013
Thanks everyone. Good stuff. A couple of comments: I've looked at a 42 Open, and it seems you give up a lot of interior space to accommodate the huge deck. It is a fantastic boat, built like a tank, but we want to sleep another couple and sometimes 6 people or more aboard. I don't see the 42 Open working for that. I view the Tiara 4300 as having just enough room for us, with little extra. The 420DB has at least 20% more space, and I love the "living room" feel of the salon being above the water and having great light. I dislike the basement feel of normal cruisers when you're below deck. I view the Tiara as a better boat overall, as far a fit/finish and quality of components. I think the Tiara will have better resale value and will be more desirable to the next buyer when I'm through with it. Resale value is offset by the salt. I think the Tiara will handle rough water a little better. At the end of the day, both boats would work as far as space, looks, handling and performance. Both are in great shape. The biggest things on my mind right now are: Resale value Salt Shipping hassles (FL to MI) - cost ($10K+), and having to remove pods and arch components to ship Ongoing costs of maintaining IPS system (I've heard $1500 - $2000 per year) Better handling with IPS (Would be nice to have a boat my wife could dock with the joystick - 420 DB has bow and stern thrusters though) Less plastic/canvas to maintain on the Tiara (Tiara has hardtop with glass windshield) So I've literally flipped back and forth on a daily basis. If I'm missing anything, please chime in. Thanks for being my therapists and listening to my ramblings. I'll let you know how it turns out. Decision needs to be made in next 10 days or so. Scott
Have you actually been on the 43 you are negotiating on? If not that could really throw a wrench in the mix. There's items on salt boats that if even just cosmetic I couldn't live with unless there was someone like me who me who owned it. Corrosion and rust on things would drive me absolutely crazy.
Short Drive?
The 42 Open comes with a plan C that adds a guest stateroom with two big bunk beds in it.....very comfortable for two adults and makes 6 overnight reasonably comfortable. Was popular with families with teenage children. When you own an Open series Tiara you spend lots of time on the bridge deck. Many of these boats have helm a/c that keep the helms at 68-72 degrees in hot weather. We live upstairs and go below to get out of the bright sunlight. You will know what works for your situation. I've driven the Sovran series and own an Open. Both are excellent sea boats with nod going to the Opens. Agree with the comment on IPS system maintenance costs. Don't feel the trade off off of docking ease and mpg is worth giving up the straight drives' simplicity.
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Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal?
- Thread starter csanna2
- Start date May 26, 2006
- May 26, 2006
I just thought I weould ask I always thought searays where the best but everyone at work says regals make a better boat!
Petty Officer 2nd Class
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? searay has a better reputation, but thats also the same company that builds bayliner
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Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? Cobalt and Tiara are the only ones I have felt comfortable letting a customer see when they first come off of the factory trailer.
Petty Officer 1st Class
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? I own a Searay. Love it. But I'm looking at some Regals and wouldnt hesitate to buy one.
- May 27, 2006
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? Here is my personal rank when it comes to quality<br /><br />1. Cobalt<br />2. Sea Ray<br />3. Chris Craft <br />4. Regal<br />5. Chapparal<br />6. Rinker<br />7. Mariah<br />8. Wellcraft<br />9. Baja<br />10. Glastron<br />....<br />100. Bayliner!!
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? Hey.....I resent that
Originally posted by hudman:<br /> searay has a better reputation, but thats also the same company that builds bilgeliner Click to expand...
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? look at what hudman said above...I'm not alone here
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Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? None of the above mentioned scows is an inboard or I/O Engine.<br /><br />Moving to Boats.
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Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? Dunno about the big cruisers. But Sea Ray deckboats and Select bowriders are more plush than Regal. Some insiders say the Regals have better construction. Sea Ray may have an edge in customer service, of course that is mostly up to your local dealer. Regal deckboats and bowriders are typically priced well under Sea Ray. More at the Four Winns price level. Which I would attribute to the difference in the plush factor. And the smaller market position.<br /><br />Kelly Cook
bigbad 4cyl x2
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? searay sundeck is the best boat on the planet.
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- May 28, 2006
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? Any boat is only as good as the care that has been given to it by the previous owners. Even a Sea Ray that has been neglected for 10 years will be worse than a Bayliner that has been meticiously cared for and garage-kept.<br /><br />Tommays- where was that photo taken?? Venice?
- May 29, 2006
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? Depends on what length your looking at ........After 16 years with SeaRays I went Regal ...... Fastrac hull had alot to do with it , but I just found the quality in the smaller versions way better in the Regal .price was not the issue FWIW
Senior Chief Petty Officer
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? They are both stamped out mediocre quality production boats. Which is better is probably more a matter of whether yours was built on Monday/Friday or not.
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? What you can see is pretty close to perfect looking on both boats<br /><br />What you cant get to with ripping apart thm apart is were the difference is and who can really say unless they were there for the build of that hull<br /><br />Haveing been luckey enough to own one hand built low production boat(J-24 sailboat )<br /><br />I can say that my power boat is Ok BUT NONE of these boats are even remotly as well built as a low production hull<br /><br />(there is no place to hide shortcuts in a J-24 hull)<br /><br /><br />tommays
Supreme Mariner
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? So I read all the threads. I also have a working knowledge of Sea Ray. If I were interested in that size boat would own one in a heartbeat. They don't have to take a backseat to anyone......bar none.<br /><br />Mark
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- May 30, 2006
Re: Whats Better? SeaRay or Regal? J.D. Power Ratings - Small Runabouts (16-19 ft.) <br />Boat Builder Overall Rating Quality & Reliability Value for Money Exterior Ride & Handling Features <br />Crownline <br />Chaparral <br />Four Winns <br />Sea Ray <br />Glastron <br />Bayliner
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Tiara: the new quality leader, by david pascoe.
We've always liked Tiara and Pursuit boats, both products of S2 Yachts of Holland, Michigan. In times past we've recommended them as good, solid quality, well-designed boats that are a bit more utilitarian than glitzy. The kind of boat that holds up well to year 'round use under the blazing Florida sun, as well as the five month monsoon season that can dump 80" of rain on your boat annually.
One of the things I've always liked about them was how they restrained themselves from loading their boats up with cheap hardware and other gratuitous junk just to give you the appearance of getting more. No plastic hardware to turn black with mildew, or to disintegrate from sunlight. No die cast zinc alloy or crummy aluminum.
Naturally, as surveyors, our primary business is with used boats, so we are usually several years behind the times on new models. Thus, it was several years ago that we began to notice a change in Tiara. For one thing, they started making an appeal to the high end sport fishing market. Whereas boats like the 3600 Open had rather plane-Jane cockpits, now we started seeing things like built in bait wells, tackle centers, rod storage lockers, Rybovich style hull vents and all those kind of goodies. Keeping up with the sport fishing Joneses as it were.
But the sport fishing market is a rather limited one, and so Tiara has wisely taken their "open" line of models and created both dedicated fishermen and cruisers. The primary difference of the two being the amount of seating and lack of obstructions in the cockpit areas for the fishermen.
Most recently we were assigned the task of looking over three brand new Tiaras. Now we get to see up close and personal what we'd previously been seeing only from a distance. Without question, Tiara has raised the quality a notch or two. Which, of course, means that the price tag has gone up along with it. That should go without saying. Want good? Gotta pay for it. We can say without reservation that, for the price, what you are getting is not a snow job, not some marketing ploy to sell you something that looks good today, but turns to dust tomorrow. No, these boats have some bone deep quality in them.
First off, we got to compare the 35 Open with the 4100. As is common in the industry, the overall quality tends to go up with the size and price of the boat, and that is clearly the case here. With the 4300 Open, Tiara is clearly taking a shot at Viking and Hatteras, with all the latest design, quality and style features to match. As for Hatteras, they seem too busy with their mega yacht business to bother with the little guys. Can't remember when we last looked at a late model under 50 feet.
The interior of the 4300 is a real eye-catcher. Done out all in teak (Gasp! Dark wood!) it is positively scrumptious. I wish a picture could tell the story, but it really can't. The last time we raved about quality wood work was on the 1997 Viking 43 SF which had less of it, but better overall quality. Frankly, I'm glad to see teak interiors making a come back. Why? For one thing, it is durable. If you screw it all up, the finish can be restored. Not so with light color woods like ash, oak and maple that get permanently stained.
The 4300 Open. No pretense at luxury here, it looks better live than this photo.
Up north, where the sun doesn't shine that much, dark interiors are understandably unpopular. But here in the tropics, sunny days can get just as boring -- not to mention the blinding light, heat and carcinoma that it causes -- so popping down into your deep dark abode immediately renders a sense of soothing coolness, away from the glare and shutting out the rest of the world. If you like that sort of atmosphere, you'll love this one. And it is decidedly masculine. No red or green leather and brass, but you can get teal. Close enough. Spittoons and cigar clippers are optional, for those of you who defy convention and love your Monte Chistos and La Habanas. Easy clean vinyl headliner if you're into the soothing effects of tobacco.
With the 4300, start with a beveled edge, tongue-and-groove teak planked sole with holly stepping. Not the most practical design in terms of keeping dirt out of the cracks, but boy it sure looks great. The sculptured effect is immediately obvious and exudes an amazing sense of quality. Then we've got a fold up dinette table with round, solid teak edge banding a good 2" thick with 180 degree round over; joiner work is first class.
The 3500 had a limed ash or oak interior that was nice, but the veneers weren't the best, nor was the joiner work really great. There were cabinets and drawers veneer faced with veneer edge banding that left very hard corners and a failure to give the impression of great workmanship. Nice, but not impressive to those who recognize quality; the finish on the wood was also thin. Contrasting this with the 4300, where we find a lot more rounding, the finish is obviously well done. So what's the big deal with rounding? Well, for one thing square is cheaper to make than round. Secondly, I'd much rather bump into a rounded corner than a sharp one. I got enough scars on my body. But the finish on the woods is clearly better than the 3500, giving the impression (whether it is or not) of overall higher quality and better workmanship.
The overall design, selection of materials and color scheme is superb. Everything is mute without appearing dull. Color freaks won't care for this, but when it comes to a yacht, it's foolish to stray into the realm of the trendy or flashy. Gotta think about resale; if it's loud, it gets hard to sell when the flavor of the day constantly changes. The color schemes used here are timeless and will not go out of style. Call it subdued good taste. Smart money stays conservative. Moreover, the use of foam padded vinyl is kept to a merciful minimum and you're new Tiara won't smell like like a vinyl factory; instead, it smells like wood.
Full, fiberglass liners make our day for the head compartments, with hose-down ease of cleaning on the smaller models, stall showers on the larger. While the galley on the 3500 resembles more closely a sandwich board, on the 37 and up, they're darn nice, although having wood cabinets directly above a pot of boiling water doesn't make good sense. Yet in all models, the amount of storage space is more than adequate, plus sensibly designed with spaces to store pots as well as dishes without any contortionist exercises.
The trained eye can't fail but to notice the detail work on this hatch cover. Have you had enough of glued-on insulation falling off? That's not going to happen with this one.
Even though a bit too much is crammed into this 3500 engine compartment, it's hard not to be impressed by the high quality detail work, starting with fluorescent lighting and the deep hatch gutters to keep water out.
As a true sport fisherman, both the 35 and 43 flunk the test by virtue of cockpits compromised for the cocktail crowd. There is altogether too much upholstery and obstructions for those who are going to give a cockpit a lot of hard use. Some of this glitz is optional, so you'll need to check on how much can be eliminated from the show models. On the 35, the large, L-shaped settee at forward cockpit creates a serious traffic bottle neck, leaving only a 14" wide walk thru. Along with a hinged, pneumatically operated rear seat, there are too many obstructions. For sports-minded people, for the outdoorsy types, the last thing you want is clutter in the cockpit; that's for the cocktail cruisers where seating a lot of people is the primary requirement.
On attention to design detail, we're getting close to as good as it gets. I'm talking about things like:
- Whether salt water is going to leak all over your engines and machinery when you go to sea. Or when you hit the deck with a hose to wash it. Take a look at the hatch design detail in the nearby photo. A hatch like that probably costs 4X what the run of the mill hatch would cost. Notice that the insulation is not just glued on so that it's going to fall off in a few years. And that you can take the underliner off in order to replace the insulation when it gets all tore up, as it inevitably will.
- Hatch gutters: The gutters on the electrically lifted large hatch section are very large and deep. The drains are 2" diameter so they won't clog up easily. Know what happens when an improperly designed drainage system gets clogged up? Yep, the water overflows and onto tens of thousands of dollars worth of machinery. If you wonder why we ridicule bad design, that's it.
- Details like the hatch and cabinet doors are thru-bolted, not screwed into fiberglass.
- Details like the transom door hinges are double thick stainless with an adequately constructed jamb so the whole arrangement isn't going to break apart from the tremendous leverage applied by the door.
- Details like proper rounding of fiberglass moldings so they don't fracture at sharp angles.
- Details like gaskets and strong dogs on all hatches.
- Overall better quality hardware.
- A properly constructed hull/deck joint and rub rails so that 5 years from the time you write the check, the side of your boat doesn't look like it went through a hurricane
- Strong windshields with base gutters to drain off the inevitable leakage.
- Well laid out electric panels. Various other switches and panels aren't scattered all over the place. For example, on one new boat we recently looked at, we found electrical controls in five different locations, taking a good hour just to figure out where things were and how they operated. On these boats, everything is instantly clear; never spent more than a minute looking for a switch.
The day prior to writing this, I did a survey on a 36 footer that had the electric panel crunched between the helm and the cabin side, literally at floor level. Had to get on my hands and knees to operate a switch. How on earth could anyone tolerate such a thing, I wondered. I mean, is it someone's idea of great fun to have to stand on your head to read a volt meter or throw a switch? Talk about a designer with his head up his ass. Where are the panels on a Tiara? At eye level where they should be.
I could go on and on, but you get the picture. Real quality is not only in materials but in the design details, all of which make ownership and operation of the vessel far 6easier and less costly, often requiring you pay for things once, rather than twice or three times.
The engine compartments on all the Tiaras were something of a let down. Not that they're not loaded with good quality stuff, but like a Sea Ray, not much thought was given to how anyone is going to reach a lot of stuff for repair or service. If you're a do-it-yourselfer, this has got to give you a pause for consideration. Even with the opening full deck section, things are still hard to reach, yet it's hard not to be impressed with the quality.
The down side on the smaller models. Some engine compartments that can be pretty cramped. It's extremely hard to reach anything. That's the transmission down there.
As you can see in the photo above, there's a nice, easy-clean glass headliner, along with fluorescent lighting so at least you can see what you're doing. The problem is simply too much in too small a space. You got your nice big cabin and cockpit, but this is the price you pay for that.
But you'll find other great features like the cabin door on really good rollers and also with a sliding screen. Both slide as easy as can be. And the electrically opened center windshield is another nice feature. So too is the manner in which the Bimini top is fitted to the windshield; it has only an 8" high eisenglass zippered section that is easy to open to let the air through. Neat.
I also like the heavily rounded toe rails with at least a 4" radius. Not only does this look good, but it makes the gunwale stronger and much less prone to stress cracking when you really bang against a piling.
Another real strong point is the ergonomics of the helm which I found superb, particularly with an electrically operated helm seat. Of course, this is just another electric gizmo to crap out on you, but like electric seats in a car, it is a nice feature. However, if you like to sit and steer with your hands, forget it. This is one for sitting back and steering with your feet, which is my usual method.
One thing Tiara did that is a real head scratcher is that they made the deck up under the windshield black. I don't think I need explain why that is not good for a variety of reasons.
The helm designs are generally superb. This is the 3500 with a power seat.
Easy boarding. Some of the cockpit designs we've seen lately are truly atrocious. It's hard to image that a designer figures that you could tolerate only boarding over the transom, or having to climb all over the upholstered seating -- or worse yet -- walking across a wet bar. But they do. The 3500 has a built-in step each side, which is completely out of the way so you don't get to trip over it, and immediately behind the arch where there is a handy grab rail. And with that pointed diamond non-skid pattern, there's no chance of slipping and getting your bones rearranged. Even Grandma could board with relative ease. But, if you like to mimic the Europeans, who apparently don't have many docks, she's got a 30" wide platform that is removable. It looks like it's integral, but it's not.
Aside from the upholstery, there isn't much in the cockpit area to go to rot and ruin. The little wet bar has a heavily rounded, deep lid with no steel hardware and not much else. Apparently Tiara designers know that salt water comes cascading over the bow to frequently douse the cockpit with that wonderfully corrosive fluid. If stuff can't withstand salt water, it shouldn't be on a boat. In this case, it isn't. Plus you may think that the windshield is ungainly high -- would you like to have a nice, sleek, low Euro style windshield. Well, just keep in mind that the high windshield keeps salt spray off most of your goodies at the helm. Euro style is great in the showroom but it sucks canal water in out here in the real world.
Clearly Tiara is taking a run at being the quality leader. Equally clear is that they're getting close, particularly with the smaller models. In the forty foot range, the engine rooms are a bit of a disappointment and don't measure up to Hatteras or Viking, the later of which has the best machinery installations of any production builder.
If you're not an aficionado, this won't much matter to you. But for today's yachtsmen, a well designed and gleaming machinery space ranks just as high as the exterior appearance, a throwback to our early days of hot-rodding and chrome plating everything. Half the fun of ownership is show-and-tell, like cruising the burger stand on Friday night and opening your hood for all to see. Hey, buddy, whatcha got in there? My Awlgripped, chrome plated 8V92, turbocharged, after burner Dee Twa Diesels, man. The ones with the 250 cc injectors, man. Good for one weeks fishin' and then rebuild 'em. Divorced the wife, bought a boat. A hot rod boat, that is. And why the heck not? Nobody makes a car these days anyone could have an ounce of pride in owning. They're all the same plastic junk. Not even a spot of chrome left on a Jaguar, for God's sake.
It's an injection molded, throw-away, plastic world out there folks. Boats like these represent the last of the world of quality and pride in ownership in something that is mass produced. For those who can afford it.
For the time being, for production builders who turn out a lot of boats, I'll give Tiara the number two spot behind Viking.
See ya at Walker's, chum. Wanna race?
Posted May 20, 1999
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