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Tourist Dies After Replica of Viking Ship Sinks Off Coast of Norway

A tourist has died after the replica of a Viking ship she was sailing on hit rough seas this week, capsizing the vessel about 60 miles off the west coast of Norway. The ship's five other passengers were rescued, and the woman's body was later found near the scene.

The unnamed woman, whom Agence France Presse reports was an American citizen in her 20s, was part of an expedition from the Faroe Islands to Norway, in an attempt to recreate a voyage similar to one that Vikings embarked on more than 1,000 years ago. However, during the fourth day of the trip on Tuesday evening, the 30-foot Naddoddur, powered only with sails and oars, hit waves up to 16 feet in height with winds as much as 40 knots, prompting the crew to send a distress signal.

The mayday call was initially dismissed as a false alarm after boats and a helicopter arrived at the scene and found nothing, but a wider rescue operation was launched after the boat's occupants sent a second call just an hour later. The ship's five survivors were able to climb aboard an inflatable life raft, and were later airlifted to safety by helicopter.

On Wednesday morning, a woman's body was recovered from the area near where the ship sank.

Norway’s Sea Rescue Society posted a video of the area where the ship sank on Tuesday, showing the high waves and choppy waters.

"The rescue boat 'Idar Ulstein' is now at the place where the Viking ship capsized west of Stad," the agency wrote. "We keep an eye on the ship, and do what we can to assist with the salvage, but the weather conditions make it very demanding."

#Redningsskøyta «Idar Ulstein» er på nå på stedet hvor vikingskipet har kantret vest av #Stad . Vi holder øye med skipet, og gjør det vi kan for å bistå med bergingen, men værforholdene gjør det svært krevende. pic.twitter.com/iLUUeo6Qoz — Redningsselskapet (@NSSR) August 27, 2024

The the expedition had reportedly already been postponed for several days due to the inclement weather.

Bergur Jacobsen, chairman of the Naddoddur boat club on the Faroe Islands, told the BBC that the ship had previously made the journey to places such as Iceland, Shetland, and Norway without incident. "It's not a Viking boat, it's a Faroes fishing boat without a motor but with sails," Jacobsen explained, but declined to comment further amid a pending investigation.

Prior to the trip, Livar Nysted, a crew member from the Faroes, said that "you just try to do the best you can" when sailing through a storm. "It's an open boat. You sleep under the stars and when it's raining or windy you can feel the elements," he noted.

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American Tourist Dead After Viking Ship Replica Sinks Off Coast of Norway: Reports

There were six people on the vessel when it capsized about 60 miles off the country’s west coast

A U.S. tourist has died after a Viking replica boat sank off the coast of Norway, according to multiple reports.

Six people were on board the 30-foot open wooden vessel when it encountered rough seas — with waves that were between 13-16 feet high — during an expedition from the Faroe Islands to Norway, on the evening of Tuesday, Aug. 27, according to Agence France Presse and the BBC .

The ship sent a distress signal, and five people, including its skipper, were able to get into an inflatable life raft, and were airlifted by a helicopter with help from the Norwegian coast guard ship KV Bergen , which arrived on the scene, per Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang (VG) .

The body of the woman, who was reported to be an American citizen in her 20s by Norwegian media, was found Wednesday, Aug. 28, near where the Naddoddur capsized about 60 miles off the country’s west coast, according to the outlets.

Per the BBC, the expedition had already been postponed for several days due to the weather, and Norway’s Sea Rescue Society posted a video that showed strong winds and high waves in the area at the time the vessel went down.

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The passengers on board were attempting a voyage, from the Faroe Islands to Alesund in Norway — similar to one that Vikings conducted more than 1,000 years ago, per the AFP.

The survivors were from Switzerland and the Faroe Islands, according to VG.

The local newspaper also reported that the boat's skipper has yet to be questioned, but authorities have opened an investigation.

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A strong wave likely capsized a Viking replica ship off Norway, police say

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — A strong wave was likely responsible for the capsizing of a Viking ship replica earlier this week off Norway’s coast that killed a U.S. citizen, police said Thursday, describing it as a “tragic accident” that did not constitute a criminal matter.

The wooden replica, called Naddodd, was crossing the North Atlantic from the Faeroe Islands to Norway with an international team of six people. The 10-meter (33-feet) double-masted vessel built on the Faeroes had departed the islands located halfway between Scotland and Iceland on Saturday.

On Tuesday, it sailed into strong winds and high waves and late that night, the ship capsized off the coastal town of Stad, about 346 kilometers (215 miles) from the capital of Oslo.

Survivors told police that the weather “suddenly turned significantly worse than predicted with very high waves.” Rescuers said some of the waves were up to 5 meters (16 feet) high at the time.

The five survivors had managed to get into an inflatable life raft and were were later airlifted to safety by helicopter. A sixth person, who had been trapped underneath the vessel, drowned, police said. The victim’s body was found on Wednesday.

Police have not released the name of the victim but Norwegian and Faeroese media identified her as 29-year-old archaeologist Karla Dana, from Florida.

“Thrilled to be a part of this crew, fearlessly embarking on this Nordic voyage on a Viking ship replica across the North Sea, pushing through physical and mental limits to sail into history,” Dana had posted on her LinkedIn profile before the trip.

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A US woman aboard a Viking ship replica has died after it capsized and sunk off the west coast of Norway .

Karla Dana, 29, an archaeologist from Florida , lost her life when the Naddoddur boat started taking in water and went down on Tuesday evening, according to the ‘Viking Voyage’ expedition team and local broadcaster KVF .

Five other adventurers on board were rescued on a raft and have reportedly been identified as the skipper and expedition leader Andy Fitze, Livar Nysted, Saeny Blaser, Georg Aebi and Martin Fitze. They are from Switzerland and the Faroe Islands.

The boat had smooth sailing departing from Tvøroyri in the Faroe Islands on Saturday until around 6pm on Tuesday when rough seas prompted the explorers to make a distress call off the coast of the Norwegian island of Måløy, reported the Faroe Islands-based news outlet Local.fo .

A search and rescue mission from Norway found the Naddoddur sunken and saved five of the explorers, but found the sixth member drowned to death and trapped under the boat hours later.

Dana’s autopsy and an police investigation are expected to be conducted.

The survivors were not injured but were tended by crisis team members for psychological distress, GlobalNews reported.

Andy had described the expedition on Facebook as an ‘unforgettable event that takes you back to the time of the Vikings’.

‘Our expedition is a tribute to the legendary Viking navigator Naddodd and will take us from the Faroe Islands to Norway – a journey of some 500 nautical miles – on a replica Viking ship,’ he said before embarking, according to Local.fo.

‘This crew will push the boundaries of navigational expeditions.’

The boat was named after a famed Norwegian Viking from the late 8th century, and intended to complete his original journey from Norway to the Faroe Islands after he was blown off course accidentally.

Dana was one of two women on the expedition.

‘Together we want to honor and pass on the unwavering determination and pioneering spirit of the Vikings,’ Andy said at the time.

Berger Jacobsen, the chairman of the Naddoddur boat club that owned the sunken vessel, told BBC that the replica had previously sailed to Norway, Iceland and Shetland.

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A strong wave was likely responsible for the capsizing of a Viking ship replica earlier this week off Norway's coast that killed a U.S. citizen , police said Thursday, describing it as a "tragic accident" that did not constitute a criminal matter.

The wooden replica, called Naddodd, was crossing the North Atlantic from the Faeroe Islands to Norway with an international team of six people. The 33-feet double-masted vessel built on the Faeroes had departed the islands located halfway between Scotland and Iceland on Saturday.

On Tuesday, it sailed into strong winds and high waves and late that night, the ship capsized off the coastal town of Stad, about 215 miles from the capital of Oslo.

Survivors told police that the weather "suddenly turned significantly worse than predicted with very high waves." Rescuers said some of the waves were up to 16 feet high at the time.

Norway's Sea Rescue Society posted video of one of its boats navigating the rough seas during the search for the capsized ship.

#Redningsskøyta «Idar Ulstein» er på nå på stedet hvor vikingskipet har kantret vest av #Stad . Vi holder øye med skipet, og gjør det vi kan for å bistå med bergingen, men værforholdene gjør det svært krevende. pic.twitter.com/iLUUeo6Qoz — Redningsselskapet (@NSSR) August 27, 2024

The five survivors had managed to get into an inflatable life raft and were later airlifted to safety by helicopter. A sixth person, who had been trapped underneath the vessel, drowned, police said. The victim's body was found on Wednesday.

Police have not released the name of the victim but Norwegian and Faeroese media identified her as 29-year-old archaeologist Karla Dana, from Florida.

"Thrilled to be a part of this crew, fearlessly embarking on this Nordic voyage on a Viking ship replica across the North Sea, pushing through physical and mental limits to sail into history," Dana had posted on her LinkedIn profile before the trip.

Sail2North Expeditions, which organized the trip, told CBS News they would release more information about the incident on Friday. In a June Instagram post , Sail2North called Dana "the youngest member of our crew and embodies both the curiosity of a field researcher and the boldness of an adventurer."

In 2023, Dana joined the Florida chapter of The Explorers Club,  BBC News  reported. Joseph Dituri, the chairman of club's Florida chapter, told the outlet that her death is a reminder "that we make these dangerous expeditions and explorations look easy but they are not."

"This brave explorer left this planet doing something she loved entirely too early," he told BBC News. "Her exploration spirit was evident in everything she did as well as her zest for life! It is a better world having had her in it."

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The American woman who died when a replica Viking boat sank off the coast of Norway has been identified by Norwegian media as Karla Dana, a 29-year-old archaeologist. She was a resident of Orlando, Florida, according to Norwegian broadcaster KVF . The US State Department confirmed to the BBC that an American citizen had died off the coast of Norway but said it would not comment further "out of respect for the privacy of the family."

Five other people were rescued from a life raft after the 30-foot Naddoddur sank in rough seas late Tuesday. The American woman's body was found hours later trapped under the capsized boat, the Local reports. The team had been trying to sail from the Faroe Islands to Norway in a tribute to Viking navigator Naddodd, who is credited with discovering Iceland. The journey had been repeatedly delayed due to bad weather. "Despite the thrill of the upcoming journey, I've promised myself to stop watching videos of the North Sea," Dana wrote in an expedition blog post . "It's hard to keep excitement from turning into fear when you see those waves casually tossing around huge modern boats like toys." (More Vikings stories.)

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A n American woman has died after the boat she was in—a replica of a Viking-type ship—capsized off Norway's west coast late Tuesday. The BBC reports she was one of six people aboard the Naddoddur, a 30-foot long boat that encountered rough seas while traveling from the Faroe Islands to Alesund, Norway, in a trip that mimicked one Vikings would have taken a millennium ago.

Norway's Sea Rescue Society described angry conditions, with waves of up to 16 feet and wind speeds at 40 knots. The boat issued a distress signal, and the other passengers managed to get into a life raft. They were later airlifted from it by helicopter. AFP reports that local media described the victim, who was found in the water, as an American in her 20s.

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The head of the Faroe Islands' Naddoddur boat club says the boat had previously completed Viking-style trips to Iceland, Shetland, and Norway; this expedition had been underway for four days. "It's not a Viking boat," he explained, but "a Faroes fishing boat without a motor but with sails" and oars. Prior to setting out on the trip, which was delayed a number of days due to weather, the BBC reports a crew member wrote that "you just try to do the best you can" during a storm. "It's an open boat. You sleep under the stars, and when it's raining or windy you can feel the elements."

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Having only sailed on very large ships previously, and looking forward to trying Viking, I am eager to hear about which itineraries have the best chances for smooth sailing and which are often a challenge. Currently booked on Neptune for In the Wake of the Vikings and have been a little concerned from some comments here about rough seas during that itinerary. Thank you! 

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The North Sea and the Bay of Biscay (north of Spain, west of France) have had rough seas since the days of the Vikings. Some of the turbulence is the result of post-hurricane tropical waves, usually in the late Summer and Fall.

Current Viking ships handle the rough water very well. We sailed through the remains of hurricane Lorenzo with waves crashing on deck 7, and warnings to use handrails, avoid unnecessary travel, etc. Sitting in the Explorer Lounge / Mamsen's with a cup of hot chocolate (my wife) and a beer (me) was delightful.

5 hours ago, luvtosing said: Having only sailed on very large ships previously, and looking forward to trying Viking, I am eager to hear about which itineraries have the best chances for smooth sailing and which are often a challenge. Currently booked on Neptune for In the Wake of the Vikings and have been a little concerned from some comments here about rough seas during that itinerary. Thank you! 

The size of a ship has no bearing on how a ship handles heavy weather. How a ship handles seas is based on the design, as the ocean liners I worked on were slightly smaller than the Viking ships, but handled rough seas better than any current ship, with the exception of QM2.

We experienced a couple of Tropical Revolving Storms and a deep frontal depression on a Viking ship and it handled the seas well. However, In the Wake of the Vikings does transit the North Sea and North Atlantic, which have the potential for being rough at any time. You also have the potential for missing ports due to weather.

15 hours ago, Heidi13 said: ...does transit the North Sea and North Atlantic, which have the potential for being rough at any time. You also have the potential for missing ports due to weather.

Question: I've been under the impression that June/July are better months for traversing the North Sea;  we're boarding the British Isles Explorer on July 4th. 

Am I correct, or is the North Sea in those summer months just as turbulent as other months?

(fingers crossed)

As others have indicated, you can encounter storms any time of year in the North Sea.  We get the tail end of Atlantic hurricanes in the summer months.

49 minutes ago, longterm said: Question: I've been under the impression that June/July are better months for traversing the North Sea;  we're boarding the British Isles Explorer on July 4th.    Am I correct, or is the North Sea in those summer months just as turbulent as other months?   (fingers crossed)   Thanks, bob    

June and July have lower probability of storms than the winter months, but storms can be experienced at any time in the North Sea.

I agree with Andy.  Prepare for the worst, hope for the best...  And the infamous Bay of Biscay is the roughest I ever experienced on a passenger ship.  Including years of North Atlantic crossings.  Baaaaad.... 🥃

We live on the North Sea coast and I can definitely attest to the fact that storms can happen any time.  Our summer in North East England is usually 1 or 2 days in July LOL 😂

1 hour ago, Jim Avery said: I agree with Andy.  Prepare for the worst, hope for the best...  And the infamous Bay of Biscay is the roughest I ever experienced on a passenger ship.  Including years of North Atlantic crossings.  Baaaaad.... 🥃

What itinerary was Bay of Biscayne? Thanks for the input! 

Queen Mary 2. Southampton to Ft Lauderdale via the Canary Islands and Barbados.

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1 hour ago, luvtosing said: What itinerary was Bay of Biscayne? Thanks for the input! 

Bay of Biscay off the coast of France. Biscayne is Florida. It’s on Trade Routes of the Middle Ages (a great itinerary). We had rougher seas in the Bay Biscay than our trip around Cape Horn.

33 minutes ago, OneSixtyToOne said: Bay of Biscay off the coast of France. Biscayne is Florida. It’s on Trade Routes of the Middle Ages (a great itinerary). We had rougher seas in the Bay Biscay than our trip around Cape Horn.

We missed the port of Falmouth on the Cornish coast due to rough seas on our Trade Routes trip.  Too windy to enter the port. The next day we passed through the Bay of Biscay (north of Spain, west of France)  where we encountered the seven deck waves.

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21 hours ago, Heidi13 said: The size of a ship has no bearing on how a ship handles heavy weather. How a ship handles seas is based on the design,

Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner.

Wish that more people understood some of the physics involved with ships -- that size, in and of itself, is no indicator of stability or handling capabilities.

19 minutes ago, FlyerTalker said:   Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner.   Wish that more people understood some of the physics involved with ships -- that size, in and of itself, is no indicator of stability or handling capabilities.    

I think it has to do with the (over) simplistic thinking that more tonnage = more stability for ships.

51 minutes ago, Reaniel said:   I think it has to do with the (over) simplistic thinking that more tonnage = more stability for ships.

6 hours ago, OneSixtyToOne said: Bay of Biscay off the coast of France. Biscayne is Florida. It’s on Trade Routes of the Middle Ages (a great itinerary). We had rougher seas in the Bay Biscay than our trip around Cape Horn.

Loved that cruise. We’d do it again in a heartbeat. Yes, we had quite the swells in Biscay. No storms, sunny skies, but massive swells. Fortunately neither of us got seasick (I took ginger capsules). At one point we sat on the top deck and listened to the crashing of dishes from somewhere below. (Ship tilts waaaaay left — crash crash crash. Then waaaaaaay right — crash tinkle crash.) We felt bad for the staff but I have to admit we enjoyed the experience.

2 hours ago, OneSixtyToOne said: Octantis was one of the most stable ships I’ve been on. Last October we hit 10-11 on the Beaufort Scale and hardly felt it.   

When dealing with heavy weather, especially in coastal waters, the actual wind speed can be a minor factor in impacting a smooth sailing. Significant heavy weather requires "Fetch", which is the distance wind blows over water in a consistent direction. It is the wind blowing over water for a considerable distance that builds up seas, and then when the wind quits, the resultant is swell. Swells can travel thousands of miles across the ocean.

On the photos, you had significant wind speed, identified by the volume of spray, indicating at least Force 9. However, the wave height was very low, due to navigating in coastal waters, with no fetch. With those minimal wave heights, the ship should have been stable, with minimal pitching and no rolling.

If you were in the middle of Drake Passage, with sustained winds of 55 - 60 kts, you would have experienced seas of 40 - 50 feet. In the photo, the wave height is difficult to estimate, but best guess is 3 - 5 feet.

3 hours ago, FlyerTalker said:   Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner.   Wish that more people understood some of the physics involved with ships -- that size, in and of itself, is no indicator of stability or handling capabilities.    

Unfortunately, Ship Stability and Ship Construction are rather complex subjects, especially stability, a subject we spent years learning.

Jim had the best "Cole's Notes" version of ship construction with the recent bow photo of QE2. For stability, they really don't have a useful Cole's Notes version. To comprehend stability, you need to study Capt Derrett's Ship Stability for Masters & Mates.

3 hours ago, Reaniel said:   I think it has to do with the (over) simplistic thinking that more tonnage = more stability for ships.

It isn't overly simplistic thinking, it is inherently incorrect thinking to believe more tonnage = more stability. That would be pax that don't understand physics and haven't played on a "Seesaw" in a kids playground.

Greater tonnage means a bigger ship, which means numerous parts of the ship are further from the CoG than on a smaller ship. The further you are from the CoG the more movement you experience, so bigger ships can have more movement than smaller ships.

Stability is all about keeping the hull in the water and bringing the ship back upright once it leans over, and equally important is how quickly it is returned upright.

Frisky070802

21 hours ago, longterm said: Question: I've been under the impression that June/July are better months for traversing the North Sea;  we're boarding the British Isles Explorer on July 4th.    Am I correct, or is the North Sea in those summer months just as turbulent as other months?   (fingers crossed)   Thanks, bob    

We did the BIE last August, so not quite the same window but a datapoint.  Mild most of the time, rough enough one day to give the tender drivers conniptions, and rough enough another day to cancel a port.   Probably that was the day I almost fell in someone's lap in the theater :) 

2 hours ago, Frisky070802 said: We did the BIE last August, so not quite the same window but a datapoint.  Mild most of the time, rough enough one day to give the tender drivers conniptions, and rough enough another day to cancel a port.   Probably that was the day I almost fell in someone's lap in the theater 🙂

Which port did you have to skip? We're really hoping to get to see the Orkney and Shetland Islands, but my impression is that these 2 are probably more likely than most to be at risk of a port skip.

1 hour ago, longterm said: Which port did you have to skip? We're really hoping to get to see the Orkney and Shetland Islands, but my impression is that these 2 are probably more likely than most to be at risk of a port skip.

I did this cruise last September We did stop in Orkney. It was amazing. We missed Highlands- Ullapool due to weather and missed the Shetland Islands also due to weather. The Ullapool miss was a sea day and instead of the Shetland Islands we went to Stavenger, Norway. 

8 hours ago, longterm said: Which port did you have to skip? We're really hoping to get to see the Orkney and Shetland Islands, but my impression is that these 2 are probably more likely than most to be at risk of a port skip.

We had Orkney, Belfast, and ullapool swapped out well in advance. They subbed in Stornaway, which was washed out. 

7 hours ago, Tas353 said: I did this cruise last September We did stop in Orkney. It was amazing. We missed Highlands- Ullapool due to weather and missed the Shetland Islands also due to weather. The Ullapool miss was a sea day and instead of the Shetland Islands we went to Stavenger, Norway. 

This was exactly our experience when sailing the previous September.

On 1/1/2024 at 9:08 PM, Heidi13 said: The size of a ship has no bearing on how a ship handles heavy weather. How a ship handles seas is based on the design, as the ocean liners I worked on were slightly smaller than the Viking ships, but handled rough seas better than any current ship, with the exception of QM2

Is there a limit to this?  With the advent of yacht like ships carrying around 100 passengers can they be as stable as traditional cruise ships?

Also what is the impact of the new bow design that most of the newer ships have migrated to?  I do find it interesting that Viking doesn't seem to be moving in that direction.  

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An American archaeologist has died after the replica boat she was sailing in capsized in rough seas during an expedition from the Faroe Islands to Norway

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I dunno if BBC changed the title after but the current title clears do much more up. That said

American archaeologist drowns after replica Viking boat sinks

It was a replica Viking boat and the rough seas flipped and trapped her under it. Hell of a way to go. I was just really confused how a 'replica' boat was a replica and not just 'a boat' if it's in the water and sailing.

And, despite the article, I found myself thinking that the Explorer's Club sounded cool. Just imagine, reading an article about someone who died in a horrible way and thinking, "might be fun to join that club." Call of the void?

I dunno if BBC changed the title

They did indeed. They added "archaeologist" to the title when they increased the article from 353 words to the current 798 words.

I hate it when news sites do this. They release a story with a bait headline that gets picked up and spread around, then silently change it so when the inevitable clicks come in, they pretend they had journalistic integrity all along.

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Having only sailed on very large ships previously, and looking forward to trying Viking, I am eager to hear about which itineraries have the best chances for smooth sailing and which are often a challenge. Currently booked on Neptune for In the Wake of the Vikings and have been a little concerned from some comments here about rough seas during that itinerary. Thank you! 

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The North Sea and the Bay of Biscay (north of Spain, west of France) have had rough seas since the days of the Vikings. Some of the turbulence is the result of post-hurricane tropical waves, usually in the late Summer and Fall.

Current Viking ships handle the rough water very well. We sailed through the remains of hurricane Lorenzo with waves crashing on deck 7, and warnings to use handrails, avoid unnecessary travel, etc. Sitting in the Explorer Lounge / Mamsen's with a cup of hot chocolate (my wife) and a beer (me) was delightful.

5 hours ago, luvtosing said: Having only sailed on very large ships previously, and looking forward to trying Viking, I am eager to hear about which itineraries have the best chances for smooth sailing and which are often a challenge. Currently booked on Neptune for In the Wake of the Vikings and have been a little concerned from some comments here about rough seas during that itinerary. Thank you! 

The size of a ship has no bearing on how a ship handles heavy weather. How a ship handles seas is based on the design, as the ocean liners I worked on were slightly smaller than the Viking ships, but handled rough seas better than any current ship, with the exception of QM2.

We experienced a couple of Tropical Revolving Storms and a deep frontal depression on a Viking ship and it handled the seas well. However, In the Wake of the Vikings does transit the North Sea and North Atlantic, which have the potential for being rough at any time. You also have the potential for missing ports due to weather.

15 hours ago, Heidi13 said: ...does transit the North Sea and North Atlantic, which have the potential for being rough at any time. You also have the potential for missing ports due to weather.

Question: I've been under the impression that June/July are better months for traversing the North Sea;  we're boarding the British Isles Explorer on July 4th. 

Am I correct, or is the North Sea in those summer months just as turbulent as other months?

(fingers crossed)

As others have indicated, you can encounter storms any time of year in the North Sea.  We get the tail end of Atlantic hurricanes in the summer months.

49 minutes ago, longterm said: Question: I've been under the impression that June/July are better months for traversing the North Sea;  we're boarding the British Isles Explorer on July 4th.    Am I correct, or is the North Sea in those summer months just as turbulent as other months?   (fingers crossed)   Thanks, bob    

June and July have lower probability of storms than the winter months, but storms can be experienced at any time in the North Sea.

I agree with Andy.  Prepare for the worst, hope for the best...  And the infamous Bay of Biscay is the roughest I ever experienced on a passenger ship.  Including years of North Atlantic crossings.  Baaaaad.... 🥃

We live on the North Sea coast and I can definitely attest to the fact that storms can happen any time.  Our summer in North East England is usually 1 or 2 days in July LOL 😂

1 hour ago, Jim Avery said: I agree with Andy.  Prepare for the worst, hope for the best...  And the infamous Bay of Biscay is the roughest I ever experienced on a passenger ship.  Including years of North Atlantic crossings.  Baaaaad.... 🥃

What itinerary was Bay of Biscayne? Thanks for the input! 

Queen Mary 2. Southampton to Ft Lauderdale via the Canary Islands and Barbados.

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1 hour ago, luvtosing said: What itinerary was Bay of Biscayne? Thanks for the input! 

Bay of Biscay off the coast of France. Biscayne is Florida. It’s on Trade Routes of the Middle Ages (a great itinerary). We had rougher seas in the Bay Biscay than our trip around Cape Horn.

33 minutes ago, OneSixtyToOne said: Bay of Biscay off the coast of France. Biscayne is Florida. It’s on Trade Routes of the Middle Ages (a great itinerary). We had rougher seas in the Bay Biscay than our trip around Cape Horn.

We missed the port of Falmouth on the Cornish coast due to rough seas on our Trade Routes trip.  Too windy to enter the port. The next day we passed through the Bay of Biscay (north of Spain, west of France)  where we encountered the seven deck waves.

FlyerTalker

21 hours ago, Heidi13 said: The size of a ship has no bearing on how a ship handles heavy weather. How a ship handles seas is based on the design,

Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner.

Wish that more people understood some of the physics involved with ships -- that size, in and of itself, is no indicator of stability or handling capabilities.

19 minutes ago, FlyerTalker said:   Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner.   Wish that more people understood some of the physics involved with ships -- that size, in and of itself, is no indicator of stability or handling capabilities.    

I think it has to do with the (over) simplistic thinking that more tonnage = more stability for ships.

51 minutes ago, Reaniel said:   I think it has to do with the (over) simplistic thinking that more tonnage = more stability for ships.

6 hours ago, OneSixtyToOne said: Bay of Biscay off the coast of France. Biscayne is Florida. It’s on Trade Routes of the Middle Ages (a great itinerary). We had rougher seas in the Bay Biscay than our trip around Cape Horn.

Loved that cruise. We’d do it again in a heartbeat. Yes, we had quite the swells in Biscay. No storms, sunny skies, but massive swells. Fortunately neither of us got seasick (I took ginger capsules). At one point we sat on the top deck and listened to the crashing of dishes from somewhere below. (Ship tilts waaaaay left — crash crash crash. Then waaaaaaay right — crash tinkle crash.) We felt bad for the staff but I have to admit we enjoyed the experience.

2 hours ago, OneSixtyToOne said: Octantis was one of the most stable ships I’ve been on. Last October we hit 10-11 on the Beaufort Scale and hardly felt it.   

When dealing with heavy weather, especially in coastal waters, the actual wind speed can be a minor factor in impacting a smooth sailing. Significant heavy weather requires "Fetch", which is the distance wind blows over water in a consistent direction. It is the wind blowing over water for a considerable distance that builds up seas, and then when the wind quits, the resultant is swell. Swells can travel thousands of miles across the ocean.

On the photos, you had significant wind speed, identified by the volume of spray, indicating at least Force 9. However, the wave height was very low, due to navigating in coastal waters, with no fetch. With those minimal wave heights, the ship should have been stable, with minimal pitching and no rolling.

If you were in the middle of Drake Passage, with sustained winds of 55 - 60 kts, you would have experienced seas of 40 - 50 feet. In the photo, the wave height is difficult to estimate, but best guess is 3 - 5 feet.

3 hours ago, FlyerTalker said:   Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner.   Wish that more people understood some of the physics involved with ships -- that size, in and of itself, is no indicator of stability or handling capabilities.    

Unfortunately, Ship Stability and Ship Construction are rather complex subjects, especially stability, a subject we spent years learning.

Jim had the best "Cole's Notes" version of ship construction with the recent bow photo of QE2. For stability, they really don't have a useful Cole's Notes version. To comprehend stability, you need to study Capt Derrett's Ship Stability for Masters & Mates.

3 hours ago, Reaniel said:   I think it has to do with the (over) simplistic thinking that more tonnage = more stability for ships.

It isn't overly simplistic thinking, it is inherently incorrect thinking to believe more tonnage = more stability. That would be pax that don't understand physics and haven't played on a "Seesaw" in a kids playground.

Greater tonnage means a bigger ship, which means numerous parts of the ship are further from the CoG than on a smaller ship. The further you are from the CoG the more movement you experience, so bigger ships can have more movement than smaller ships.

Stability is all about keeping the hull in the water and bringing the ship back upright once it leans over, and equally important is how quickly it is returned upright.

Frisky070802

21 hours ago, longterm said: Question: I've been under the impression that June/July are better months for traversing the North Sea;  we're boarding the British Isles Explorer on July 4th.    Am I correct, or is the North Sea in those summer months just as turbulent as other months?   (fingers crossed)   Thanks, bob    

We did the BIE last August, so not quite the same window but a datapoint.  Mild most of the time, rough enough one day to give the tender drivers conniptions, and rough enough another day to cancel a port.   Probably that was the day I almost fell in someone's lap in the theater :) 

2 hours ago, Frisky070802 said: We did the BIE last August, so not quite the same window but a datapoint.  Mild most of the time, rough enough one day to give the tender drivers conniptions, and rough enough another day to cancel a port.   Probably that was the day I almost fell in someone's lap in the theater 🙂

Which port did you have to skip? We're really hoping to get to see the Orkney and Shetland Islands, but my impression is that these 2 are probably more likely than most to be at risk of a port skip.

1 hour ago, longterm said: Which port did you have to skip? We're really hoping to get to see the Orkney and Shetland Islands, but my impression is that these 2 are probably more likely than most to be at risk of a port skip.

I did this cruise last September We did stop in Orkney. It was amazing. We missed Highlands- Ullapool due to weather and missed the Shetland Islands also due to weather. The Ullapool miss was a sea day and instead of the Shetland Islands we went to Stavenger, Norway. 

8 hours ago, longterm said: Which port did you have to skip? We're really hoping to get to see the Orkney and Shetland Islands, but my impression is that these 2 are probably more likely than most to be at risk of a port skip.

We had Orkney, Belfast, and ullapool swapped out well in advance. They subbed in Stornaway, which was washed out. 

7 hours ago, Tas353 said: I did this cruise last September We did stop in Orkney. It was amazing. We missed Highlands- Ullapool due to weather and missed the Shetland Islands also due to weather. The Ullapool miss was a sea day and instead of the Shetland Islands we went to Stavenger, Norway. 

This was exactly our experience when sailing the previous September.

On 1/1/2024 at 9:08 PM, Heidi13 said: The size of a ship has no bearing on how a ship handles heavy weather. How a ship handles seas is based on the design, as the ocean liners I worked on were slightly smaller than the Viking ships, but handled rough seas better than any current ship, with the exception of QM2

Is there a limit to this?  With the advent of yacht like ships carrying around 100 passengers can they be as stable as traditional cruise ships?

Also what is the impact of the new bow design that most of the newer ships have migrated to?  I do find it interesting that Viking doesn't seem to be moving in that direction.  

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