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Leisure Leisure 17 for sale

Swansea, United Kingdom

The Leisure 17 is one of the most successful small yachts ever built an very easy to handle yacht which is in very good condition and with its twin keel it will stand stable on the beach

Claire Louise is a much loved Leisure 17 cabin cruiser which is in good condition with twin keel we are also selling with her a 6ft x 4ft rowing boat which could be fitted with an out board engine also 4 almost new bouyancy aids. All rigging, sails and spinniker. the price also includes the custom made trailor

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Review of Leisure 17

Basic specs..

The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season. And outside the sailing season, just bottom cleaning and perhaps anti-fouling painting once a year - a few hours of work, that's all.

The interior is like many other boats made of mahogany. Mahogany belongs to the hardwood species, known for being water-repellent and resistant to decay. It has an attractive wood grain and holds wood polish and varnish well. The boat is equipped with 4 berths.

The boat equipped with a masthead rig. The advantage of a masthead rig is its simplicity and the fact that a given sail area - compared with a fractional rig - can be carried lower and thus with less heeling moment.

The Leisure 17 has been built with different keel alternatives.

One option is a fin keel. The fin keel is the most common keel and provides splendid manoeuvrability. The downside is that it has less directional stability than a long keel.

The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 0.97 - 1.07 meter (3.18 - 3.48 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

Another option is a bilge keel. A bilge keel is a double keel, which allows the boat to be beached. Bilge keels are the most popular keel for tidal waters.

Leisure 17 can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 0.65 - 0.75 meter (2.13 - 2.43 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

Sailing characteristics

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?

The capsize screening value for Leisure 17 is 2.42, indicating that this boat would not be accepted to participate in ocean races.

What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?

The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 5.0 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Leisure 17 is about 60 kg/cm, alternatively 341 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 60 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 341 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

Sailing statistics

This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.

What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)?

What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?

What is a Ballast Ratio?

What is Displacement Length Ratio?

SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio) Indicates how fast the boat is in light wind: - Cruising Boats have ratios 10-15 - Cruiser-Racers have ratios 16-20 - Racers have ratios above 20 - High-Performance Racers have ratios above 24 Sail-area/displacement ratio (SA/D ratio): 17.75

Maintenance

When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 10m 2 (107 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need.

If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful.

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Leisure 17 is a 16 ′ 11 ″ / 5.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Arthur C. Howard and built by Leisure Yachts starting in 1966.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

The 17 was the the first and the most popular model from this builder. A fin keel version was also available with a draft of 3.17’/.97m. Thanks L-17 owner John Mac-, for providing corrections and a copy of the original manufacturers brochure.

Thanks to LEISURE 17 owner ‘Bergamot’ for providing the following commentary concerning the number built: “I have read differing references to how many L17s were produced in total. It was certainly in the thousands. Some say approximately 3,000 and others say it may be as many as 4,500. Unfortunately the builders suffered a catastrophic fire and a lot of records were lost. Latterly they were also built elsewhere in Europe so nobody really knows. There are many in the Scandinavian area with a strong following.”

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Wake : Ulrike Ufer on her passion for Leisure 17

Ursula Meer

 ·  20.09.2022

The Leisure 17 is the boat of unlimited possibilities: She has such a shallow draught and is so seaworthy that you can go anywhere with her. If not, that's down to the captain, not the boat

Tell me, Mrs Ufer: Why are you a Leisure 17 fan?

She is the boat of unlimited possibilities: She has such a shallow draught and is so seaworthy that you can go anywhere with her. Especially with a mast-laying device. If you don't arrive, it's the captain's fault, not the boat's. She is so small that she fits into a corner in any harbour. She is also a deeply democratic boat.

Please explain that.

The Leisure 17 makes it possible for people with a small budget to experience wonderful hours on the water. Sailing often has the reputation of being reserved for the rich and famous. Yet there are plenty of videos of people sailing small boats and having great fun. Including a couple of really crazy Brits who have equipped their little boats for sailing along the not exactly easy British coast with recognisably little money.

How did your passion for leisure come about?

I wanted to start small and was looking for a boat in the small cruiser segment. I came across a picture of a brave little boat with a reefed mainsail pounding through not inconsiderable waves. I was totally impressed. Enquiries with the British Leisure Owners Association revealed that No Leisure 17 is ever known to have capsized. That convinced me, and I finally bought the "Frya". She really does sail like she's on rails. And if you overdo it, she simply shoots into the wind as if she had a built-in brake. This combination of safety and sailing fun also evokes unforgettable memories for many former owners, as I have experienced time and again.

When I was moored in Travemünde with "Frya", people kept looking down from the pier and saying: "Oh, I used to have a Leisure 17. I sold it, what a huge mistake!" Older people in particular like to buy another Leisure 17, and when they do, they often say: "This is my last boat." Perhaps they are recalling their youth, all the stories. And these small boats have certainly written them - including a very special one.

Which story do you mean?

In 1968, the German John Adam sailed from England to Cuba in his Leisure 17 "Eve" and invented windvane steering along the way. He wasn't a madman who just sailed off, but a trained nautical officer. When he arrived in Cuba, in the middle of the Cold War, he was immediately arrested and spent weeks in prison. Nobody believed him that it was possible to cross the Atlantic in such a small boat. They thought he was a spy.

After his return to Europe, Adam optimised the windvane steering system and marketed it for many years under the "Windpilot" brand - a beneficial invention for every long-distance sailor, which was developed on a Leisure 17.

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Leisure 17: Rescued from the nettles

• Ben Meakins
• August 26, 2015

John MacKenzie renovates a Leisure 17 that had lain unused in a field for nearly two decades

My father served aboard HMS Bergamot in the Second World War. Bergamot was a Flower Class corvette, a similar class of vessel to that on which the classic book and film The Cruel Sea was set. My father took part in escorting convoys to the Arctic to support the Russian forces.

After he passed away, I was doing some research to find out more about my father’s experiences during the war, and in due course, I stumbled upon an obscure internet forum which included some discussion about corvettes.

John MacKenzie’s father served during the Second World War on HMS Bergamot , a flower class corvette

Soon I was sharing remembered stories with the son of another Bergamot crew member, when up popped a man called Alan with first-hand memories of Bergamot , asking to be put in touch with other crew members.

Alan is in his 90s and has the memory of an elephant, recounting stories and anecdotes of life on board HMS Bergamot and much more. He has become a very good friend: I treasure his enthusiastic and positive attitude to life, and despite his clear recollections of HMS Bergamot all those years ago he certainly does not live in the past, and has a very modern outlook.

Bergamot crew member Alan, left, with John MacKenzie

Alan mentioned that he had sailed a small Leisure 17 cruiser for many years in the Solent. As a lifelong dinghy sailor this rekindled my hankering for a small boat with a lid on it, so I was interested in his opinions on his elderly, diminutive craft. He enthused that she had no foibles, and that he and his family had thoroughly enjoyed sailing her.

He then mentioned that he still had her under a cover on his rural smallholding in Hampshire, where she had been languishing for the past 17 years: if I was interested, he would be happy for me to ‘take her away’.

I conducted some research on the Leisure 17 and found much praise for this attractive little vessel, and even an account of an eventful transatlantic crossing by John Adam in 1968: this ended in his imprisonment in Cuba as a spy, as the Cubans did not believe such a small boat could successfully cross the Atlantic.

The Leisure Owners Association was very friendly and helpful and supplied a wealth of useful information which confirmed that Leisure 17s, despite their age, are solid, well-built basic boats with a very active and enthusiastic following. I was hooked. But what condition was she in?

A very sad old lady

Preparing to trail the boat home. She had languished among chest-high nettles for 17 years

After a 140-mile round trip with perfect directions from Alan (apart from a long-gone Little Chef), and with his permission to come aboard, I found myself in a field full of chest-high nettles in an idyllic spot in rural Hampshire.

When I hacked my way to the boat with a machete I found a very sad old lady full of water and covered in moss, tilting off her trailer as the rabbits had undermined the trailer supports – and there was more rust than trailer.

As for the cover, that had been half off for some time, the wind having whipped it up and scraped several arcs in the moss, lichen and the gelcoat of the hull.

I like a challenge, but I have to admit to having serious doubts at that point. However, it was a lovely sunny day, and things always look better in the sun. After a thorough inspection, I managed to convince myself – with a little imagination – that she was basically sound and could be nurtured back to life.

I accepted Alan’s kind offer – or should that be his challenge?

Moss and lichen had taken hold to an extensive degree

Shortly after seeing the boat I visited Alan at his home near Lymington, armed with a bottle of his favourite single malt whisky and some chocolates for his lovely wife Jean.

Alan helped me load the car with sails, cushions, an aged Evinrude 6hp two-stroke outboard and various other boat bits and pieces. Alan is as fit as a fiddle!

Jean confided to me that Alan was delighted that his beloved little boat was to be renovated and put back on the water again, where she belongs.

I now needed to get the boat back home, some 70 miles away, but first I needed somewhere to put her. This entailed replacing part of a fence with hinged panels, moving a shed on rollers (like the Egyptians building the pyramids) on to its new base, felling a tree and removing its root stump, and levelling the ground to a gentle incline – phew!

Now I had a boatyard with access ready for my little cruiser.

After a thorough renovation including new wheels, tyres and brakes, the trailer was modified with a bow support, docking arms and a winch

My next job was to get the boat off her trailer. With dozens of concrete blocks and substantial timbers on Alan’s  smallholding, plus my three-ton trolley jack, I eventually managed to extricate the trailer from under the boat single-handed.

After fitting new wheels and tyres, and re-greasing the bearings and hitch, I cautiously towed the remains of the trailer home for a strip-down and rebuild with new brake parts, lots of DIY MIG welding, a couple of new additional spars and a new paint job.

The trailer has been modified with a bow support, docking arms and a winch so that I now tow her bow-first: the original set-up was stern-first, which other owners have advised me makes for tricky launches and recoveries.

A blank canvas

Having carefully eased her back on to her now shiny and renovated trailer (again single-handed), I gingerly towed the sad old girl back to my new boatyard and set about her restoration.

She was a very basic boat with no electrics, instruments etc, but having had only two owners she was pretty much a blank canvas for me to work on, albeit a tired one.

A quick pressure-wash removed a lot of the moss and lichen, and she started to look a bit more shipshape. With a big pot of elbow grease and abrasive pads the teak woodwork came up surprisingly well, and with new washboards she started to look quite smart.

The milky windows would eventually be removed and treated with a mild rubbing compound

The milky windows were removed and treated with mild rubbing compound: they polished up to a surprisingly high standard, which avoided my having to replace them.

The window seals had become very brittle and cracked so I replaced them all with new seals and a chrome-effect infill to brighten her up a bit – very ‘blingy’.

The interior had become home to several small animals and needed a complete clean-out and repaint: it is now fresh and bright.

Much of the internal woodwork had suffered badly from the ingress of water over many years, but when it dried out most of it was salvageable. After stripping off all of what remained of the old varnish, and with the application of a few new coats, it came up looking good. All the deck fittings were removed and re-seated to make her dry inside.

Dismayingly full of water, but at least this indicated that the boat was basically sound

The mast had been resting low down on the trailer and had become home to many generations of mice: the whole length was packed with chewed-up halyard to make cosy nesting material. Strangely, the mice had only chewed one halyard so I was left with an aptly named ‘mouse-line’ for re-threading the new halyards. The pressure-washer soon removed the remaining detritus.

The boat had many layers of now crazed antifouling paint which had set rock-hard. I am sure that the laborious job of removing it will resonate with many readers as one of the worst jobs of a renovation.

However, a cheap electric scraper greatly speeded up the process, and as the boat was only 4.3m (14ft) at the waterline I could at least see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Her keels were in a sorry state, with much rust and several deep pits that needed to be primed and filled after being ground back to solid iron.

Her topsides are in her original gelcoat, which is not perfect: but with some cutting back and polishing she now looks presentable.

The rubbing strake was repaired with copious applications of epoxy and strategically-placed clamps

In my enthusiasm I added navigation lights, a depth sounder, a fixed radio and mast top antenna and a small GPS to link to the DSC radio to get her seaworthy. In fact she is probably far more seaworthy than I was as my previous sailing experience was dinghy sailing on inland waters, but I wanted her to be right.

I mounted the instruments on a hinged panel to the side of the companionway rather than mounting them in the cockpit to avoid making holes.

An unexpected bonus from the lack of fixed instruments is that this preserves that area as backrests for comfortable stretching out on lazy summer days.

The original method of attaching the mainsail was by a boltrope up the mast slot: this was very stiff, even after cleaning and treating with PTFE, so to make raising and lowering the main a much easier and safer task I have fitted nylon sliders, which work well.

My wife Sara has flashbacks about standing in windswept dinghies clutching wobbly masts while I attached the shrouds and stays, so I fabricated a method for single-handed raising and lowering of the mast.

I needed to replace the standing rigging as it appeared to be original, so I added moveable stainless steel straps to enable the lower shroud pivot points to line up with the mast base, providing lateral support when raising and lowering the mast without exerting strain.

It works very efficiently, and was relatively easy once I had worked out the required lengths with a bit of schoolboy trigonometry and line-of-sight checks. Fellow boaters are of course always prepared to lend a hand, so I could probably have done without this enhancement – but at least I know I can raise and lower the mast on my own without scaring Sara.

After a few modifications, John’s garden became a serviceable boatyard and work on the Leisure 17 proceeded in earnest

The boat was launched from her trailer at Newhaven Marina without any problems on a sunny summer day in mid-July last year, having taken a year to renovate. (I just have to keep an eye open for the 143m ferry that creeps up behind the breakwater and past the marina to her berth.)

Two months of enjoyable sea trials followed, undertaking some great cruises along the South Coast with the Seven Sisters chalk cliffs as our backdrop and a trolling line picking up mackerel for supper as we went.

Alan’s statement that she had no foibles was spot-on, as she is very stable and sails well for such a small cruiser: I am looking forward to using her as much as possible and enhancing my seamanship.

The 1974 two-stroke Evinrude was soon replaced with a shiny new 5hp Mercury four-stroke long-shaft saildrive, which is excellent as it has extra thrust and the gear change on the front of the engine.

I could probably have managed quite well with a 4hp, but I tend to over-engineer most things!

Dual backstays were fitted for better access to the outboard

My upgrades after initial sea trials include leading all the control lines (there aren’t many!) back to the cockpit and adding a triple rope clutch for the furler line, main halyard and topping lift.

The old hanked-on jib worked well, but I am all in favour of an easy life so I have renovated and installed an old furler that I found through the owners association and adapted the jib to fit it, which is as yet untried.

I found the original jib sheet clam-cleats awkward, so I have replaced them with new ones.

The original genoa cars were simple resinite O-rings with a thumbscrew mounted on now brittle plastic rails. The cars were fiddly to adjust and had quite a lot of friction, so I replaced these with alloy rails and adjustable genoa cars.

The original backstay split into two at about 1m up: being so low, it got in the way when controlling and lifting the outboard, so I fitted dual backstays for better access to the outboard at the risk of having more weight up top and increasing the windage.

Sara was very patient during the year-long renovation, for which I am very grateful, but at least she has known where I was – in the boatyard or the garage! She is also smitten with our new-to-us little cruiser: well, on very calm days!

Meanwhile, Alan was a guest at the Russian Embassy recently when he received the Ushakov Medal for his Arctic convoy duty on board HMS Bergamot . Alan said it was ‘a bit chilly’ on the Arctic convoys, but it was a dry cold so it wasn’t so bad: typical of him to find something positive!

And what did I name our boat? Why, Bergamot , of course, in tribute to Alan, my father Angus, Colin’s father, and all the brave crew of what Alan describes as ‘a happy and clean ship’.

Say hello if you are near Seaford Bay and spot sail number 1630. Fair winds!

John named his boat Bergamot in tribute to his father Angus, Alan and the other brave crew of his boat’s illustrious namesake

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• Boat REF#  ·  172015
• Length  ·  5.18m
• Year  ·  1978
• Construction  ·  GRP
• Underwater profile  ·  Bilge
• Sleeping berths  ·  4
• Engine  ·  1 x gasoline 4hp, Mariner ()
• Lying  ·  Northern Broads

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Extra Details

Boat safety certificate valid until 2018 Broads river licence valid to 31.3.2015

Sloop rigged Aluminium spars () with Stainless Steel standing rigging (2007)

Electrical Systems

12 volt battery, 1 batteries charged by: engine

Construction

Accommodation

4 berths in 1 cabin

1 anchors (danforth) 4.57m of chain 4.57m of rode

Nav Equipment

Safety Equipment

1 bilge pumps (0 manual / 1 electric)

Broker's Comments

These boat details are subject to contract. Note: Offers on the asking price may be considered.

A delightful Leisure 17 in lovely condition, clean and dry interior with good upholstery. Fitted with a main dealer serviced modern 4 stroke Mariner engine, external fuel tank and battery charging facility. Fully equipped for offshore sailing with "Oscar" man overboard rescue system, new speed and log together with new compass. The owner has sailed this boat with confidence at sea with a recent voyage to Holland which confirms her sea going capabilities and condition. Recently anti fouled, new safety certificate and broads licence valid until 2015. Offered as a ready to sail package with the option of a 2 wheel road trailer. She really is one of the nicest value for money compact sailing boats I have seen in years, possible broads mooring available.

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John Adam sailed solo across the Atlantic in 1968 in his approriately name Leisure 17, Eve.

In four years, 1982-86, Svend  Billesbolle sailed ar ound the world in Leisure 23, Stormy .

In  2006 Oystein Djonne (skipper) and Vidar Krovik set off from Kopervik , Norway, in Leisure 22, Valkyrie,  on a two year voyage , crossing the Pacific to New Zealand. 

In 2012 a Turkish sailor, made a solo voyage from Bodrum, Turkey to Plymouth, UK in Leisure 17, Ninova.

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